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Old 11th March 2018
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Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick View Post
This meme has been around for a long time now:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/BSD_is_Dying

It may be worth noting that NetFlix use FreeBSD for their servers and they boast of performance that exceeds anything Linux can manage.

The donations page for OpenBSD state that the project received $376,000 in 2017 — does that sound "dead" to you?

http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/activities.html
I'm not sure of the veracity of this claim, but this post suggests FreeBSD constitutes a very small part of Netflix infrastructure[0].

The last ~5 years of donations looks promising; however, when you consider that one company is responsible for ~50% of the funding, it could mean that things are more volatile than it appears.

2017 = $376k
2016 = $573k ($280k from Smartisan alone)
2015 = $256k
2014 = $397k
2013 = $30,949k
2012 = $19,851k

[0] https://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl...9&cid=56012685

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Originally Posted by sacerdos_daemonis View Post
In order for the numbers to show a trend they would need to: 1) Include numbers for Linux, Windows and OSX, so a comparison could made.
2) Be shown over time, which is what a trend is.

Simply saying "A few bugs were found, so the BSDs are dying" is just sensationalism to get attention.
Again, the veracity and accuracy of the numbers in this post[1] aren't known to me, but there are statistics that do include Linux and Windows, and span a period of time[2] that aren't showing an increase in BSD use. And even more general data pertaining to popularity or interest show a decline for OpenBSD[3] over the last two years, at least.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward
"It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead."
[1] https://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl...9&cid=56008103
[2] https://w3techs.com/technologies/det...s-unix/all/all ; https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-bsd/all/all
[3] https://www.distrowatch.com ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...rating_systems

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Originally Posted by e1-531g View Post
OpenBSD community is quite actively doing great job. It doesn't seem for me like dead OS.

One thing is true: More people is looking at Linux code.
On the other hand security is complicated matter. The less people and companies use the OS, the less interest Internet criminals have to find vulnerabilities and write exploits.
OpenBSD actively is fixing reported bugs. OpenBSD has some security mitigations such as W^X enabled by default. OpenBSD has some great security mechanisms such as pledge and uses them to create daemons with carefully designed privilege-separation to accomplish principle of least privilege.
I'm a huge fan of the underlying ethos and philosophy of OpenBSD. I sincerely hope this is just unsubstantiated rhetoric and that the future of OpenBSD is long and healthy.

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Originally Posted by girarde View Post
...but whose eyes are looking is important.

Many, MANY people are looking at Linux code. But what are they looking *for*? Linus says that security bugs are just another kind of bug. Theo thinks they are the most important kind. Does anybody think that Linux developers are looking as hard for security bugs as OpenBSD developers do? Or as likely to drop what they were doing to fix *security* bugs when found? Supporting that new nVidia adapter is important, too.

I use Linux when I'm paid to. But when that goes away for me, I will bid Linux adieu.
I, too, am no fan of Linux. Or any of the other BSDs, for that matter. I once used FreeBSD but they've really fallen off of late. I have hopes for Dragonfly but development seems stagnant.

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Originally Posted by gpatrick View Post
Wishful thinking from Linux zealots. It is always amusing when Redhat or Oracle come in to my place of work to marvel about the “new” features they’re getting; features that existed in AIX and Solaris for 10-20 years.

Plan 9 has always been extremely secure and fewer eyes than any UNIX or variant.
I keep meaning to look into Plan 9; I'll have to do this soon.
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