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View Poll Results: Which windoze would you use (if you REALLY need to).
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Old 10th November 2008
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Default For those who REALLY need windoze, 2k, XP or Vista?

As the title says, if you really need to use windoze for some reason (ya know, apps that just won't run in wine), which one would you take, 2k, XP or Vista.
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XP.

I would choose 2000, IMO it's the best Windows version to date .... But it's EOL, and the number of unptached problems keeps growing.
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Whenever I used Windows, I loved Win2k. Unfortunately it is no longer supported and I would not trust it now (even less than I would trust any version of Windows now). I can't vouch for Vista since I've never used it. However, if all of the rumors I've heard are true, I'd stay away from it. So I can only recommend XP out of that list. XP isn't horrible but much more bloated than 2k. I can only imagine Vista being even more bloated. Coming from me, a devout KDE user, I think that says alot.
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Whenever I used Windows, I loved Win2k. Unfortunately it is no longer supported and I would not trust it now (even less than I would trust any version of Windows now). I can't vouch for Vista since I've never used it. However, if all of the rumors I've heard are true, I'd stay away from it. So I can only recommend XP out of that list. XP isn't horrible but much more bloated than 2k. I can only imagine Vista being even more bloated. Coming from me, a devout KDE user, I think that says alot.
Actually, Vista isn't as bad as it's painted to be. Most of the criticism come from:
1) Windoze users who can't just grasp the idea that Vista doesn't let the system resources sit idle and instead preloads some of your installed apps so they start faster and releases resources as they're needed by apps not preloaded (something *NIX have been doing ever since it has existed, but windoze users never knew it since DOS (from where windoze came to be) had a very primitive resource handling system)
2) Mac and Linux users who haven't used the thing but want to just bash it b/c bashing M$ and it's software is the cool thing to do among themselves.
3) And more importantly M$ themselves. You see, somewhere during the development stages of Vista, the M$ exec's decided that desktop OS's and desktop apps aren't good enough to make a steady cash flow from the customers to M$ and they decided to go to a cloud computing based rental model, which meant replacing disk based computers (a.k.a: PC's, Mac's, Sun boxes, AmigaOne's, Pegasos, etc) with some sort of modernized dumb terminals designed to run midori (that's the new name for the SingularityOS from M$) in good 'ol non-flashable ROM, and connect automatically to the M$ servers, there you access the apps you pay for and data you make with them. This system gives them all the control over the customer data (read: they can censor, modify add and delete customer's data at their leisure) and force customers to pay monthly fees (if the customer don't pay he gets locked out of the grid inmediatelly). Offcourse to get this going they need to make the current computers and OS's look insecure and bad, which means Vista has to get axed (XP was already on it's way out when they decided this), also lots of the malware seen latelly is made by them to further their plans which is to exacerbate the corporate heads so they embrace the "new" platform that M$ is gonna be offering.
BTW: I know about the M$ plan for the rental model because I met a M$ marketing PR girl at a local pub, got her drunk and she just spilled the beans (yeah, I know it was a mean trick, but I just couldn't miss that chance to steal their plans). Also they have this flexgo pay-per-use thing which clearly IS a precursor of their future rental system.
BTW2: I don't have any version of windoze, I know Vista from some of the college lab computers.

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Actually, Vista isn't as bad as it's painted to be. Most of the criticism come from:
1) Windoze users who can't just grasp the idea that Vista doesn't let the system resources sit idle and instead preloads some of your installed apps so they start faster and releases resources as they're needed by apps not preloaded (something *NIX have been doing ever since it has existed, but windoze users never knew it since DOS (from where windoze came to be) had a very primitive resource handling system)
2) Mac and Linux users who haven't used the thing but want to just bash it b/c bashing M$ and it's software is the cool thing to do among themselves.
3) And more importantly M$ themselves. You see, somewhere during the development stages of Vista, the M$ exec's decided that desktop OS's and desktop apps aren't good enough to make a steady cash flow from the customers to M$ and they decided to go to a cloud computing based rental model, which meant replacing disk based computers (a.k.a: PC's, Mac's, Sun boxes, AmigaOne's, Pegasos, etc) with some sort of modernized dumb terminals designed to run midori (that's the new name for the SingularityOS from M$) in good 'ol non-flashable ROM, and connect automatically to the M$ servers, there you access the apps you pay for and data you make with them. This system gives them all the control over the customer data (read: they can censor, modify add and delete customer's data at their leisure) and force customers to pay monthly fees (if the customer don't pay he gets locked out of the grid inmediatelly). Offcourse to get this going they need to make the current computers and OS's look insecure and bad, which means Vista has to get axed (XP was already on it's way out when they decided this), also lots of the malware seen latelly is made by them to further their plans which is to exacerbate the corporate heads so they embrace the "new" platform that M$ is gonna be offering.
BTW: I know about the M$ plan for the rental model because I met a M$ marketing PR girl at a local pub, got her drunk and she just spilled the beans (yeah, I know it was a mean trick, but I just couldn't miss that chance to steal their plans). Also they have this flexgo pay-per-use thing which clearly IS a precursor of their future rental system.
BTW2: I don't have any version of windoze, I know Vista from some of the college lab computers.
I've used Vista, even helped a friend update his computer with it then "downdate" it a week later.
Vista isn't a bad piece of software in the sense that after M$ got some messy bugs fixed it pretty much works exactly as intended.
The "problem" with Vista lies in the fact that the typical computer consumer was not ready for it and neither were the companies that these people buy computers from. So when it was released those companies replaced XP with Vista in all their machines without attempting to match Vista's performance requirements. The result was computers with a system requiring a top-end graphics card and over a gigabyte of memory but only having 512 (and probably even only 256 sometimes) megabytes and a mediocre Intel graphics controller being sold to individuals who assume the problem is with the software and not the hardware.
Now that Vista's been out for quite awhile those companies are now meeting Vista's requirements splendidly and affordably. For a person that does not want to deal with the hardware incompatibilities or need a machine suitable for gaming (can't really game on Unix variants, few mainstream games are ported to them; Wine doesn't run many of them well; and emulation just doesn't cut it for gaming)

All that aside; Vista is a major resource hog, more than should be needed by an operating system alone.

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BTW: I know about the M$ plan for the rental model because I met a M$ marketing PR girl at a local pub, got her drunk and she just spilled the beans (yeah, I know it was a mean trick, but I just couldn't miss that chance to steal their plans).
You met a girl at a pub and got her drunk and all you wanted to do was steal their plans?
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Well, in the pre-vista world I would probably choose Win2K because everyone I know who has used it a lot, has the best regards for it among it's other Micro$haft peers; with the total end of lifing getting closer though, I would however be very cautious of /how/ I used it. In the post-visa world now that 98SE/2K are essentially history, I think I would choose vista *if* the price and pains invovled was equal to that of XP - fat chance of that.


Because I only require windows for gaming, I would of course choose Windows XP, at the moment I find it the most stable and reliable choice all around.... until XP becomes like the Windows 98 in those old "Supported Operating Systems: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP" labels, the old banana rather then the best supported flavor.


For the games we play, I'm actually surprised some of my teammates can use Vista + Quad Core CPU + G80 comparable graphics cards and still get the games to function usably.
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I would choose Win2K, because it's the latest win i was able to get soft-ice running....
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For all 2K choices, there is also Windows 2003 which aims to be replacement for 2000 and is supported.
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I use Windows 2003 and start use Windows server 2008 , but I like 2000 it was much stable than other windows

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Windows 2006
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So sorry my mean was windows 2003
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The latest version of Windows I used was Windows 95.

And it was forcibly.. I would never consciously want to use a computer running Microsoft Windows.
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The most recent Windows machine I have runs '95, but FreeDOS and DOSbox have supplanted it by so much that it's pretty much useless now, so, uhh... DOS version of ZSNES, anyone?
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The most recent Windows machine I have runs '95, but FreeDOS and DOSbox have supplanted it by so much that it's pretty much useless now, so, uhh... DOS version of ZSNES, anyone?
Why would you use the DOS version when the FreeBSD version works fine? It's SDL based.
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Why would you use the DOS version when the FreeBSD version works fine? It's SDL based.
I was joking.

Nevertheless, I cannot run ZSNES on FreeBSD because I am running FreeBSD/amd64. With ZSNES being written in assembly, and me being too lazy to play with 32-bit libraries for the pre-packaged version, I'm better off running it on my x86 OpenBSD or DOS machines.
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When I must use Windows on a desktop PC, I favor Windows 2000 Professional. It is by far my favorite OS from Redmond for several reasons:
  1. Low hardware requirements compared to newer offerings
  2. Wide support from third-party application and hardware vendors
  3. Crashes less often, IME
  4. And, finally, probably the most relevant, it is the version with which I am most familiar
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I chose Windows XP becuase IMHO it is by far the stable and secure (when correctly patched) operating system next to BSD,Solaris/OpenSolaris and Linux. At present i i am writing thias post from my recently converted Hp Pavilion a6230n (former Windows vista/XP victim) wich I am happy to repor handles OpenSolaris SVN_101a quite better than it handled Windows vista (Vista/XP. IMHO the United States and other international governments should have intervinwed and devided up Microsoft aka (Shitrosoft).
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Afaik, W2K was a milestone.
Now, 2003? 2007? ...
Windows 7 I guess, but not on the desktop box as we know it.

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Along with the Azure–finally, a lovely and apt brand name from Microsoft–cloud services offering, it also outlines the inevitable and unavoidable path for the company, which has long struggled in getting its digital strategy right.

That includes cloudy browser versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint and other of its powerhouse software products.
Fwiw, SliTaz http://www.slitaz.org/en/ (30MB livecd)
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Back to centralized applications servers (be they cloudy).

OTOH, some apps which only work on Windows now are migrating to Vista at least. These will become cloudy sooner or later.

Nice: by soon you will not be able to register and login anymore, all you would need is a valid Visa card number.
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Afaik, W2K was a milestone.
Now, 2003? 2007? ...
Windows 7 I guess, but not on the desktop box as we know it.
Windows 7 ... should be named 6.1 (an propably will be inernally) cause its only something like Vista + SP2 (Vista was 6.0).
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