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Old 30th July 2008
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Hello,
I see there are various linux base systems (for linux emulation) available. Current installed is
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linux_base-fc-4_13  Base set of packages needed in Linux mode (for i386/amd64)
I'm willing to upgrade, since there are more up to date systems like Fedora 8 package - linux_base-f8. I'm thinking of upgrade becouse some linux software doesn't work well:
1) Flash player for browsers doesn't work at all
2) Google earth renders graphics very slow

The question is how exactly to replace the package. Just remove the old one and install the new one?
I'm running i386 platform. Also I've heared that applications from ports are build against the default linux base system and I may have problems trying to install them on another base system. Is it critical?
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From /usr/ports/UPDATING
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  AFFECTS: users of net/skype net/skype-devel
  AUTHOR: beech@FreeBSD.org

  For FreeBSD versions 7.0 and above:

  It is required with both skype and skype-devel to update to linux_base-fc6.
  Please do the following:

  1. Make sure there are no running linux applications.
  2. Unmount linprocfs (umount /compat/linux/proc)
  3. Uninstall your current linux_base port
  4. Set appropriate sysctl (sysctl compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16)
  5. Install emulators/linux_base-fc6
  6  Remount linprocfs (mount /compat/linux/proc)
  7. Add compat.linux.osrelease=2.6.16 to etc/sysctl.conf
  8. Add OVERRIDE_LINUX_BASE_PORT=fc6 to /etc/make.conf

  Note: These instructions also apply to linux_base-f8, please use the same
  osrelease.
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fc4 is stable, fc6 isn't, and neither is f8, both will probably introduce more issues than they solve, I tried fc6 some time ago because it was needed for skype.
Skype worked, all my other linux applications stopped working ... I could not get back to linux_base-fc4 fast enough.

If you want skype, then use net/skype12
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I don't have any problems with Skype (version 2.x). My troubles are with flash player and google earth. Ermmm, Wine doesn't have anything common with linux_base, right? My issues there are not related to that, I think...
So, I will take some thoughts before deciding the upgrade.
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Wine doesn't have anything common with linux_base, right?
No, not at all.

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My troubles are with flash player and google earth.
I'm pretty sure flash player will not work better with newer linux-base ports, basically, you can forget about flash on FreeBSD (There are a few workarounds/ways, but all of them have serious drawbacks/problems).
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Have you tried: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-freebsd.html
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No, I haven't tried VLC. What does it have in common with Flash?

This is really pitty... why there is no flash player for BSD? Due to Adobe licensing issue or something else?
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No, I haven't tried VLC. What does it have in common with Flash?

This is really pitty... why there is no flash player for BSD? Due to Adobe licensing issue or something else?
You can try gnash or swfdec plugins. They are not flawless, but evolving rapidly.
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This is really pitty... why there is no flash player for BSD? Due to Adobe licensing issue or something else?
Adobe simply doesn't provide a FreeBSD binary, can't blame them given the fact that FreeBSD has a very small market share as a desktop OS.

And the linux emulation isn't complete/good enough to run flash.
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Fc4 is the Linux 2.24.* kernel well known and compatibility problems known to
the maintainers.
Fc6 is based on the 2.26.* kernel. While it should work, some apps can have 2.24* vs. 2.26.* problems (which are out of the reach of the FreeBSD maintainers).

If you absolutely need a Linux app, just install that app on a Linux base system it is known to work on, then qemu or VM to other OSes as you feel like.

Further, when you feel like needing different OSes, why install them all on one machine? Sub-199$ machines are plenty, beyond better deals on eBay.
Is your Skype problem worth 199$ ?
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Further, when you feel like needing different OSes, why install them all on one machine? Sub-199$ machines are plenty, beyond better deals on eBay.
Is your Skype problem worth 199$ ?
I have plenty of RAM and I like to have benefits of running multi-OS software on one running system. I'm used to Virtual Box running Windows (some windows programs doesn't have an alternative) and FreeBSD on a Linux host and it was perfect.

Now I'm booting FreeBSD for learning purposes, but I'm getting to like it as a desktop and server - both. That's why I'm trying to run my favourite software here and become undependant from Linux. Unfortunately the lack of Flash and VirtualBox keeps me dual booting.

Bying another machine is not an option. I already have too much PCs around.
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Your best bet is Win32 Firefox in Wine for flash, though wine isn't available for FreeBSD amd64 *weep*.
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