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Old 28th August 2008
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What have we BSD users become? Using Wine just to get flash support, man...this infuriates me that we have to resort to this. Adobe needs to get their heads out of their asses.
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I think it's finally coming. iXsystems, the company that sponsors PC-BSD reached an agreement with Adobe to distribute Flash with PC-BSD systems. At that time, most people assumed that the announcement referred to Linux Flash running via the compatibility layer using nspluginwrapper. The keyword there is assumed. Now, I suppose it's apt to think that the announcement referred to native Flash for FreeBSD and derivatives. BTW, this announcement was made last summer.

WINE can be a decent solution sometimes, but in this case, it's just putting a band-aid on a wound. Lack of Flash is one thing that limits BSD adoption amongst I suppose all types of users. In this case, WINE is really not an option. Neither is doing it via the Linux compatibility mode because that adds unnecessary bloat to your system. This one needs a native solution.
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Not having flash is the only reason I'm running Linux on my notebook now. As others have said, I don't need Flash but it's convenient for certain things I want to see that are presented in that format.
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Yes, the agreement lets PC-BSD ship with linux-flashplugin7 pre-installed. Until recently it was fairly touch and go getting flash to work at all under PC-BSD releases; even after that deal IMHO. Although much of that might be because only a few people know how to use the bloody nspluginwrapper....... Or it could be changes in the Linux ABI, beats me.


Because of the lack of a workable Linux Flash9 for FreeBSD 6.3 they took to creating PBI that combine IE or FF or Opera with WINE and Flash 9 for Windows. I personally am against this practice, except when it is required for business reasons (e.g. web-dev testing their pages in IE6 ), but it's their project.



And infuriatingly, pcbsd.org now has a flash ad for PC-BSD 7 !!!!
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=517
That's sweet!!!
I've not been able to find any update on the matter though. Fingers crossed
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That's sweet!!!
I've not been able to find any update on the matter though. Fingers crossed
This article and other like it have been making the rounds all week. But if you go to the adobe labs site that has the 64 version there is no sign of a FreeBSD version...i just don't get it.
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I understand I that. I guess the fact that they are talking about it but won't release a beta for testing doesn't make sense to me.

If you go here the linux version(s) and other for flash 10 are here, but no FreeBSD. This is almost like the found "Bigfoot" stories of recent weeks.
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The FreeBSD test might have been "In The Labs", not public.
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It would be great to have a native flash but should be concerned that the news came from "Ed Bott's Microsoft Report"

It would be horrible if this is some way to get us to "look over there" while Redmond steals Apache :^)
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Great, it works ! Thanks !
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I'm running both flash plugin and Opera via Linux ABI (just for viewing flash stuff). It isn't satisfactory. Half of the stuff isn't working, outdated flash version. Youtube goes into sound-video desync all the time. Try running some 15+ MB applet (online games and such), and boom there goes your browser.

We need native support. BSD systems have a small, but constant user-base that isn't going to migrate on Linux just because Linux has some desktop-stuff solved better.
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BSD systems have a small, but constant user-base that isn't going to migrate on Linux just because Linux has some desktop-stuff solved better.
Better?

If it was better we would migrate years ago ...
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I'm running both flash plugin and Opera via Linux ABI (just for viewing flash stuff). It isn't satisfactory. Half of the stuff isn't working, outdated flash version. Youtube goes into sound-video desync all the time. Try running some 15+ MB applet (online games and such), and boom there goes your browser.
wine do this better than linux IMHO ....

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If it was better we would migrate years ago ...
If i thought Linux was better overall i wouldn't be using BSD

I'm just saying that Linux has some drivers, programs and games that aren't available OOTB for BSD. Flash is one of those things.
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Whether anyone likes to admit it or not, Linux has become the dominant platform for Unix(-like) development. The only way to get Linux-only programs to run on Unix platforms is through a compatibility layer. Implementing an ABI layer better than the original Linux ABI is the best way to go.
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Well, apparently we have Flash 9 in Linuxulator in Current working with sound and fc8 linux base.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:08:40 +0200
From: Stefan Ehmann <shoesoft@>
Subject: Re: ALSA support for linuxator - any ideas / progress ?
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On Wednesday 01 October 2008 13:16:07 Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> Quoting "Vladimir Grebenschikov" <vova@> (from Wed, 01 Oct 2008
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> 14:08:08 +0400):
> > Hi
> >
> > As far as we have working flash player under linuxator (see "firefox &
> > flash9 patches" thread in emulation@) it will be nice to have sound
> > here.
> > So far flashplayer9 just complains about no ALSA devices:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Probably anyone have ideas how to make linux ALSA applications to
> > work under FreeBSD ?
> > some obvious ideas here:
> > - provide fake, OSS-backended libalsa (probably there is such beast
> > on Linux ?)
>
> AFAIK there's no such thing on Linux. The openosund developers had a
> fake libalsa, but it was just a minimal one, and they dont't really
> maintain it.
>
> > - port ALSA framework on FreeBSD (looks complex, but there was such
> > talks about this in lists)
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> There was just some talk to get the OSS libalsa working... but only
> talk, no code. So just assume there's nothing.
>
> > - something else ?
>
> There's a flash9 add-on which uses OSS instead of ALSA
> (libflashsupport.so in the linux-flashplugin9 port). It should work.
> If not someone should have a look at what's going on there.

The port has working sound here with www/linux-firefox.

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:21:39 +0400
From: Vladimir Grebenschikov <vova@>
Subject: Re: firefox & flash9 patches
To: Roman Divacky <rdivacky@>
Cc: [email]freebsd-emulation@, Chagin Dmitry <dchagin@>
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On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 14:32 +0400, Vladimir Grebenschikov wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:20 +0200, Roman Divacky wrote:
>
> > > And now flash player works with www/firefox, Thank you Dmitry !
> >
> > so you confirm that the aforementioned patch fixes the flash9?
>
> Yes, but without sound so far. Anyway I think it worth to commit patch.
>
> > what linux_base do you use? I belive this can stem from using way too
> > old libraries with a new firefox.
>
> linux_base-fc6 currently, and now I upgrading to f8 to check.

After upgrading to linux_base-f8 www/firefox3 also works with flash9.

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Nice. 2 curiosities.
1) Anyone bold enough to sync -CURRENT and give us a real-world report on how well it works?
And, 2) Wonder how long till it MFCs...
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Nice. 2 curiosities.
1) Anyone bold enough to sync -CURRENT and give us a real-world report on how well it works?
I use CURRENT daily, but I'm not bold enough to enable linuxulator.
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I'm willing to, but it'll have to wait about 8 days because I won't be home until then, and I'm not bold enough to tamper with my server-desktop over SSH, since it provides many files for me (over 60 GBs worth) that I wouldn't want on my desktop.
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