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Don't forget to vote today yankees. Even if your party will get less than 1% of popular vote at the end of the day like mine
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This is the first election that I have a chance to vote in, but I'm not - if by some drunken chance McCain wins after insulting the intelligence of the American people, I won't be able to keep my mouth shut for 4 years: if I voted against him.
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Which party is yours, Chill?

LP'er here. Off to vote for Bob Barr in a few.
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There was an early voting station 1.5 blocks from my home, so I voted last Monday.

I voted (almost) a straight third-party ticket, but voted specifically against a candidate for the presidential race - I won't say whom.
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I voted (almost) a straight third-party ticket, but voted specifically against a candidate for the presidential race - I won't say whom.
That's got me really curious, can't you atleast give a hint?
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I will leave it at this: I always err on the side of being frugal (i.e. not incurring more debt).
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I will leave it at this: I always err on the side of being frugal (i.e. not incurring more debt).
got it.
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Which party is yours, Chill?

LP'er here. Off to vote for Bob Barr in a few.
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Voted for Chuck Baldwin of Constitutional Party because Ron Paul said so. My son voted for Bob Barr; a last minute change. Still a good choice.

Rest of the ticket had a surprising number of Libertarians. Almost all the candidates were and, the ones who weren't, had CP candidates, so I voted for those.
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Voted for Chuck Baldwin of Constitutional Party because Ron Paul said so.
I want to do this, but Pa did put him on the ballot so I'll probably just write him in.
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I voted (almost) a straight third-party ticket, but voted specifically against a candidate for the presidential race - I won't say whom.
Given that Obama and McCain are virtually identical in terms of the policies they'd implement if elected, does it even matter?

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Ahhh, that's cool. They're good folks, many are friends of mine as well. There're a few places we disagree though, mostly on the porn-ban thing and borders.

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Voted for Chuck Baldwin of Constitutional Party because Ron Paul said so. My son voted for Bob Barr; a last minute change. Still a good choice.

Rest of the ticket had a surprising number of Libertarians. Almost all the candidates were and, the ones who weren't, had CP candidates, so I voted for those.
Well, I can hardly argue with "because Paul said so." Ron Paul is a great guy and a valiant public servant in congress. His family are also lovely people. I had the opportunity to meet many of them on the campaign trail with him.

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I will leave it at this: I always err on the side of being frugal (i.e. not incurring more debt).
So you were voting against... everyone but Barr and Baldwin?

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I want to do this, but Pa did put him on the ballot so I'll probably just write him in.
Check if write-ins are allowed in your state. Some states count them, others don't. Some states only count write-ins who registered as write-ins. Some states only count write-ins who tried to get on the ballot but failed. There's a good resource over at Ballot Access News by Richard Winger.
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They're good folks, many are friends of mine as well. There're a few places we disagree though, mostly on the porn-ban thing and borders.
http://www.constitutionparty.org/par...hp#Pornography

Remember the CP is heavily built on Christianity. That being said, regulation of pornographic material at the Federal level is blatently against what they stand for.
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To quote the site above ``The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.''

I don't the think the `constitutional party' really understand the constitution, the constitution is a secular document calling for a secular government and state, where everyone can enjoy their own religion, Christianity, atheist, native American, whatever.
Not a Christian state which makes Christian laws which reflect Christian values.
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To quote the site above ``The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.''

I don't the think the `constitutional party' really understand the constitution, the constitution is a secular document calling for a secular government and state, where everyone can enjoy their own religion, Christianity, atheist, native American, whatever.
Not a Christian state which makes Christian laws which reflect Christian values.
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Christianity is only their faith and basis of values. I'm no longer even a practicing Christian and I support what they stand for.
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http://www.constitutionparty.org/par...hp#Pornography

Remember the CP is heavily built on Christianity. That being said, regulation of pornographic material at the Federal level is blatently against what they stand for.
It is, and I dislike such contradictions. Not to assail the beliefs of folks who are my friends, but.... well, y'know. I also tend to agree with Carpetsmoker's take on the constitution as well.

The WV state CP platform has stronger wording on pornography, or at least did the last time I looked.

As far as overbearing Christian influence on the constitution goes, I think a lot of it is blown out of proportion. Many of the authors were not Christians at all, despite strong faith in God, they did not care for the church as an establishment or other aspects of Christianity. Read some of Jefferson's writings on the subject especially...

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We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

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ok guys. lets keep this friendly
Theres much criticism that could be garnered around the board here. I won't mention Mr. Barr. I support the CP this year for my own reasons, you shouldn't support the CP if you don't like their platform.
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Oh, please don't get me wrong and think I'm being at all unfriendly. I just happen to enjoy political discourse. Politics is my second-favorite hobby after UNIX geeking.

There's a lot of criticism that could be leveled against Barr, especially given his voting record in congress. For what it's worth, I was primarily a Kubby supporter at the national convention.

I've still got a green "Let freedom grow!" sign, too.

As an aside, I'd be very happy if CP candidates did well or even won. I agree with them on the biggest issues, like immediately ending the war.

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Oh, please don't get me wrong and think I'm being at all unfriendly.
I know you're not
Its just that nothing will fire up a forum thread like political, religious, social arguments, its better left to anonymous message boards
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I also see a contradiction in this phrase:
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There's this book called ``Seven Words You Can't Say on Television'' by Steven Pinker ... I think we need to send these guys a copy of it, `obscenity' does have a goal ... It's also part of human nature (But then again, I would guess the CP doesn't believe in `human nature' either).

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Anonymous message boards where everyone can flame and troll without any repercussions ... yeah, great places for mature and serious discussions!
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Well, if people decide to become beligerent I'll just counter it with valid, logical arguments and intellect. No reason to sink to a low level. I don't think people on a BSD forum would behave that way though. It's not like this is a Linux forum or anything.
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