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So this is the thread for info about working (or not) laptops with FreeBSD.

As for startup info about running FreeBSD on laptop you may check this info:
http://freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/article.html
http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/
http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html
http://www.zapatec.com/freebsd/laptop/
http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/LAPTOP_SURVEY/index.html
http://www.freebsddiary.org/laptop.php
http://www.roqet.org/freebsd_minimalist_laptop.html
http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html
http://google.com/search?q=freebsd+laptop

CPU frequency/scaling HOWTO:
HOWTO: FreeBSD CPU Scaling with cpufreq.ko

Other laptop threads:
Laptop lid problem
*BSD Laptops
Alternative Architecture Laptops

(if you have any other interesting resources for FreeBSD laptop then let me know or just add a post to this thread with them)
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I have used FreeBSD on 3 laptops:

Dell C600
cpu: Intel Pentium III 850MHz
ram: 256MB
hdd: 30GB
gfx: ATI Mobility 8MB
nic: 3COM 10/100
scr: 14.1" XGA (1024x768)
snd: Sigmatel


comment C600: everything works with FreeBSD, cpu scales well with powerd/cpufreq you can hotplug batteries/cdrom without any problem at runtime, I only did not checked PCIMCIA slot, but I have read on other FreeBSD laptop reviews that it works.

Dell D600
cpu: Intel Pentium M 1.5GHz
ram: 512MB
hdd: 30GB
gfx: ATI Radeon 9000 32MB
nic: Broadcom 10/100/1000
scr: 14.1" XGA (1024x768)
snd: Sigmatel
wir: Intel 3945 WIFI


comment D600: everything works with FreeBSD, cpu scales well with powerd/cpufreq you can hotplug batteries/cdrom without any problem at runtime.

Dell D630
cpu: Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 2.0GHz
ram: 2GB
hdd: 80GB
gfx: Intel X3100
nic: Broadcom 10/100/1000
scr: 14.1" WXGA+ (1440x900)
snd: Sigmatel
wir: Intel 3945 WIFI


comment D630: I was pretty surprised that everything works with FreeBSD here, cpu scales well with powerd/cpufreq with frequencies from 300MHz to 2000MHz with steps (300/400/500/...) (from 150MHz in FreeBSD 7.1) even Ubuntu can scale it down only to 800MHz you can hotplug batteries/cdrom without any problem at runtime. Intel X3100 graphics works out of the box with intel driver from ports, I got about 950-1050fps at glxgears, if you want to run Ubuntu on it, even hibernation/suspend works.

You can also specify debug.cpufreq.lowest=800 in /boot/loader.conf and it will scale from 800MHz to 2000MHz only.

Yeah, all by Dell, but not because of the brand, but because of the keyboard layout like that:
Dell Latitude keyboard layout

I also considered IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T61/R61 instead of Dell D630, pretty same features/components generally, but I was able to get D630 for $750 while I would have to pay about $1100 for the Thinkpad so ...

Also ModularBay/Ultrabay battery for D630 is bigger then for T61/R61 (4300mHa Dell / 2700mHa IBM) and its two times cheaper ...

The other difference is that 9-CELL battery goes out of the laptop at the back side in T61/R61:
Thinkpad T61 9-cell battery

But in Dell it serves as a hand pad at the front of the laptop:
Dell D630 9-cell battery

But I had also heard that IBM got better TouchPad, but I did not had a chance to try it.
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FreeBSD 7.1-PRE working fine on HP Compaq 8510w, NVIDIA/TwinScreen and all. Some issues with ACPI suspend/resume (not using it right now), but what's new about that. Stuff like cpufreq and othe power features work fine. Using X11/wm for a desktop. I'm happy.
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Vermaden did you have any issues with the wifi on D630?
Does it work well (without doing any strange fancies)?
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Vermaden did you have any issues with the wifi on D630?
Does it work well (without doing any strange fancies)?
Yes it works ok, wpi(4) gives a lot of needed info for it, generally only modules at startup in /boot/loader.conf:

Code:
if_wpi_load="YES"
wlan_load="YES"
wlan_amrr_load="YES"
firmware_load="YES"
wpifw_load="YES"
legal.intel_wpi.license_ack=1
Intel 4965 AGN is also supported but in FreeBSD 8-CURRENT, I do not remember if it was backported to 7-STABLE.
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I have a Gateway MX6436 notebook currently running FreeBSD 7-Stable as it's sole operating system.


Everything works perfectly except the card reader slot, onboard wireless networking card, and dial up modem. The built in Ethernet card has been supported since FreeBSD 6.3-Release and I've ran the display at her native 1280x800px under X.Org 6.9 through 7.3. In some xorg.conf auto-configurations under PC-BSD, I've had the system lock up after ~10min but it doesn't with my xorg.conf, and I don't care much about graphics acceleration beyond playing Wesnoth smoothly.


I don't use any power saving features beyond powerd but ACPI's never bit me in the butt. This laptop has been quite stable since FreeBSD 6.0-Release :-)

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I have a T61p from lenovo, just got it up and running w/ freebsd 7 stable, so I haven't had time to play around with much, but i have the nvidia card working with the blob driver, wireless (intel 3945) works with the wpi driver, and sound works with the snd_hda driver. I'm sure cpufreq and such works seeing as though the dmesg reported recognizing speedstep, but I'll get back and report whether or not it works.
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I have an old Acer Aspire 1501 lmi running FreeBSD 7 RELEASE (amd64)

This laptop had problems working with the FreeBSD 5.X or 6.X releases but it works flawlessly with FreeBSD 7 amd64 .

Tested and Working:
- AMD Powernow and frequency scaling with excellent support of cpufreq and powerd.
- broadcom Gigabit ethernet
- firewire
- pcmcia
- the most of ACPI
- broadcom wifi (minipci) works with the windows 64 bit ndis drivers
- The onboard Ati radeon 9600 mobility is working perfectly with the Xorg radeon driver with DRI. I use it with the resolution 1400x1024 without problem.
- The synaptics touchpad
- All the Fn key combinations
- The VIA soundcard
- The usb 1.0 and 2.0


Tested and not Working:
- The onboard winmodem doesn't work (intel536 chipset)
- The (acpi) shortcut buttons
- The suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk functions
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Intel 4965 AGN is also supported but in FreeBSD 8-CURRENT, I do not remember if it was backported to 7-STABLE.
No i don't think so, but there is a patch for it.

I use it with a FreeBSD7 on a Zepto laptop and it works pretty well
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My ThinkPad R32 (2658-A7U) runs FreeBSD 6.2-release currently. Dual booting that and winxp pro. Overall very stable, with a few minor problems that I don't care about enough to fix (modem, flash, wpa-supplicant). Haven't tried hot-swapping the combo drive - no reason to do so since I don't have anything else to go into the ultrabay.

At some point I might try to fix the problem with sleeping in APCI - system never fully recovers from the sleep command anymore (it used to, back in freebsd 5.x) and has to be rebooted before it becomes functional again for the user.

I haven't tried CPU throttling, though I have noticed the fan will over time go to a higher speed (never heard it slow down aside from power off or reboot).

Probably worth adding that this system (P4, 1.6ghz) is over 5 years old. I recently had to rip all the guts out of it to replace the LCD bezel due to a crack on the backside. Otherwise its solid for a "budget" system.

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I have an old Toshiba 2100CDT satellite laptop. I have freeBSD-5.5
as the only OS on board. No GUI just CLI. I use it for making perl & sh scripts. And I use it for school. My laptop specs:
4 GB IDE Hard Drive
CPU AMD-K6II 400mhz
PCCARD slot 16 & 32bit
32X CD rom
2mg of on board video memory LOL!


I have tried to install FreeBSD-7.0 on this laptop with no luck. I keep getting input/output read errorrs. This maybe more a problem with the optics on my cd-rom?
ACPI is broken and I have it disabled. halt & reboot commands work but unable to use power down -p command. This is due to the ACPI issue I believe. The PCCARD works fine, and a fun way to bring back life to an old laptop that was probably on its way to the dump not to long ago.
FreeBSD-5.5 does not have the ath0 driver installed in the kernel by default but there is a KLD loadable ath0 driver module and I have it loaded. So my linksys wifi card does work. But I am not able to yet connect to my router.
I also recompiled the kernel without any problems. The old bird is pretty fast and fun to hack.
RR.
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ACER 5633

Dmesg: http://bsdpaste.bsdgroup.de/1015

OS: FreeBSD 7 stable
CPU: Intel C2D with 1.66GHz
Graphics: Intel GMA950
Memory: 1.5G
Wifi: Intel 3945
Lan: Broadcom
Harddrive: http://daemonforums.org/showpost.php...6&postcount=23

ACPI is okay, sound and graphics too, powerd runs quiet well, you can use the PC card slot and the card slot (SD, etc.). Wifi (wpi) and lan (bfe) is okay.
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Acer Aspire 3680-2633:

Most hardware works fine. However, ethernet card is not usable with ACPI enabled, and I've been having trouble getting APM working. The laptop works well enough as a desktop replacement without too much trouble, but IMHO those needing portability would be well advised to avoid Aspire series laptops.

(The troubles, as it happens, extent to Linux; until very recently the wifi was not supported, for instance.)
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I have tried to install FreeBSD-7.0 on this laptop with no luck. I keep getting input/output read errorrs. This maybe more a problem with the optics on my cd-rom?
I would suggest trying to disable DMA reads on the CDROM device. How to do this:
When the boot menu comes up, select "Escape to loader prompt"
At the prompt:
Code:
set hw.ata.atapi_dma="0"
boot
If that works, add to /boot/loader.conf:
Code:
hw.ata.atapi_dma="0"
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>I keep getting input/output read errorrs.

This a known problem. Most people don't have any further problems with it, other people aren't able to use their optical media anymore. I think it is fixed in stable.
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Dell Inspiron E1505

Code:
Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 19:59:52 UTC 2008
    root@logan.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T1300  @ 1.66GHz (1662.51-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x6e8  Stepping = 8
  Features=0xafe9fbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,TM,PBE>
  Features2=0xc1a9<SSE3,MON,VMX,EST,TM2,xTPR,PDCM>
  AMD Features=0x100000<NX>
real memory  = 527249408 (502 MB)
avail memory = 502001664 (478 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: <DELL   M07    >
ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 1
ioapic0 <Version 2.0> irqs 0-23 on motherboard
kbd1 at kbdmux0
ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 24 2008 19:59:27)
acpi0: <DELL M07    > on motherboard
acpi0: [ITHREAD]
Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900
acpi0: reservation of 0, 9fc00 (3) failed
acpi0: reservation of 100000, 1f5d3400 (3) failed
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0
cpu0: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
est0: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu0
p4tcc0: <CPU Frequency Thermal Control> on cpu0
acpi_acad0: <AC Adapter> on acpi0
battery0: <ACPI Control Method Battery> on acpi0
acpi_lid0: <Control Method Lid Switch> on acpi0
acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0
acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0
pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0
vgapci0: <VGA-compatible display> port 0xeff8-0xefff mem 0xeff00000-0xeff7ffff,0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xefec0000-0xefefffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0
agp0: <Intel 82945GM (945GM GMCH) SVGA controller> on vgapci0
agp0: detected 7932k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 256M
vgapci1: <VGA-compatible display> mem 0xeff80000-0xefffffff at device 2.1 on pci0
pcm0: <Intel 82801G High Definition Audio Controller> mem 0xefebc000-0xefebffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0
pcm0: [ITHREAD]
pcib1: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> at device 28.0 on pci0
pci11: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib1
pci11: <network> at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
pcib2: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> at device 28.3 on pci0
pci12: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib2
uhci0: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> port 0xbf80-0xbf9f irq 20 at device 29.0 on pci0
uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci0: [ITHREAD]
usb0: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: <Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb0
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> port 0xbf60-0xbf7f irq 21 at device 29.1 on pci0
uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci1: [ITHREAD]
usb1: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: <Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> port 0xbf40-0xbf5f irq 22 at device 29.2 on pci0
uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci2: [ITHREAD]
usb2: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: <Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb2
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci3: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> port 0xbf20-0xbf3f irq 23 at device 29.3 on pci0
uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED]
uhci3: [ITHREAD]
usb3: <UHCI (generic) USB controller> on uhci3
usb3: USB revision 1.0
uhub3: <Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb3
uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ehci0: <Intel 82801GB/R (ICH7) USB 2.0 controller> mem 0xffa80000-0xffa803ff irq 20 at device 29.7 on pci0
ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
ehci0: [ITHREAD]
usb4: EHCI version 1.0
usb4: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3
usb4: <Intel 82801GB/R (ICH7) USB 2.0 controller> on ehci0
usb4: USB revision 2.0
uhub4: <Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1> on usb4
uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
pcib3: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> at device 30.0 on pci0
pci3: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib3
bfe0: <Broadcom BCM4401-B0 Fast Ethernet> mem 0xef9fe000-0xef9fffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3
miibus0: <MII bus> on bfe0
bmtphy0: <BCM4401 10/100baseTX PHY> PHY 1 on miibus0
bmtphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
bfe0: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
bfe0: Ethernet address: 00:14:22:d1:a7:35
bfe0: [ITHREAD]
fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xef9fd800-0xef9fdfff irq 19 at device 1.0 on pci3
fwohci0: [FILTER]
fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0)
fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4.
fwohci0: EUI64 39:4f:c0:00:07:42:ed:21
fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports.
fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes.
firewire0: <IEEE1394(FireWire) bus> on fwohci0
fwe0: <Ethernet over FireWire> on firewire0
if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 3a:4f:c0:42:ed:21
fwe0: Ethernet address: 3a:4f:c0:42:ed:21
fwip0: <IP over FireWire> on firewire0
fwip0: Firewire address: 39:4f:c0:00:07:42:ed:21 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048
sbp0: <SBP-2/SCSI over FireWire> on firewire0
dcons_crom0: <dcons configuration ROM> on firewire0
dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x1ecdc000
fwohci0: Initiate bus reset
fwohci0: BUS reset
fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode
pci3: <base peripheral> at device 1.1 (no driver attached)
pci3: <base peripheral> at device 1.2 (no driver attached)
pci3: <base peripheral> at device 1.3 (no driver attached)
pci3: <base peripheral> at device 1.4 (no driver attached)
isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <Intel ICH7M SATA300 controller> port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xbfa0-0xbfaf irq 17 at device 31.2 on pci0
ata0: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0
ata0: [ITHREAD]
ata1: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0
ata1: [ITHREAD]
pci0: <serial bus, SMBus> at device 31.3 (no driver attached)
acpi_tz0: <Thermal Zone> on acpi0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> port 0x60,0x64,0x62,0x66 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
atkbd0: [ITHREAD]
psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0: [ITHREAD]
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
pmtimer0 on isa0
orm0: <ISA Option ROMs> at iomem 0xc0000-0xce7ff,0xce800-0xcffff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0
ppc0: parallel port not found.
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 8250 or not responding
sio0: [FILTER]
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1662514540 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
hptrr: no controller detected.
firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me)
firewire0: bus manager 0 (me)
ad0: 36718MB <Hitachi HTS541040G9SA00 MB2OC60G> at ata0-master SATA150
acd0: CDRW <HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4244N/B101> at ata1-master UDMA33
pcm0: <HDA Codec: Sigmatel STAC9220>
pcm0: <HDA Driver Revision: 20071129_0050>
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
ugen0: <NIKON NIKON DSC COOLPIX S51-PTP, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2> on uhub4
ugen0: at uhub4 port 3 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
ugen0: <NIKON NIKON DSC COOLPIX S51-PTP, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2> on uhub4
ugen0: at uhub4 port 3 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
ugen0: <NIKON NIKON DSC COOLPIX S51-PTP, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2> on uhub4
ugen0: at uhub4 port 3 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
ugen0: <NIKON NIKON DSC COOLPIX S51-PTP, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2> on uhub4
ugen0: at uhub4 port 3 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
ugen0: <NIKON NIKON DSC COOLPIX S51-PTP, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2> on uhub4
ugen0: at uhub4 port 3 (addr 2) disconnected
ugen0: detached
I am also using Belkin F5D9050 ver 3 with the rum driver for Wireless Internet.


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Adding:

Code:
hw.pci.do_power_nodriver=3
to /boot/loader.conf can make battery life longer.
Devices which are not used eg. driver is
not attached to them, will not use any power.

Note that resuming from suspend will put all devices from D3 state to D0 (even one with driver not attached)

If you dont want that you can also add:
Code:
hw.pci.do_power_resume=0
Note that this may not work on some laptops, so please test it before use.

Unforunately dettaching driver from device (via kldunload) will not put it immediately into D3 state.

You can watch current power state of various devices with pciconf(8) -c switch.
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I'm considering buying a notebook, probably a thinkpad or Dell.

Dell is cheaper, but thinkpads are well know for their sturdy and solid design, how is this with Dell laptops?
I don't want a ``throw-away notebook'' like the crap Acer or Toshiba sells, use them for two years and they break, I want something that lasts, and survives that occasional stupid idiot pushing my notebook off the table, or stepping on it, or ....

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Intel X3100 graphics works out of the box with intel driver from ports, I got about 950-1050fps at glxgears
I would not call this good, my old Geforce 5200 FX card gives me ~2500FPS.
As a sidenote, you can get some Dell notebooks (Including the 630) with nVidia cards, IMO this is worth it because the nVidia drivers are not only a lot faster but also support extra features like TwinView etc.
Of course, this is not an option if you're anti-blob.
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I'm considering buying a notebook, probably a thinkpad or Dell.
I assume you wan 14"?

Generally the size I can recommend are 12-15"

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Dell is cheaper, but thinkpads are well know for their sturdy and solid design, how is this with Dell laptops?
Same as ThinkPads they have magnezium case so you can drop them without a fear. Dell Latitude have better keyboard, because left CTRL i fucked up in all ThinkPads with the FN key.

Other thing that that I liked on my D630 comparing to ThinkPad is batteries. The 9-cell battery goes out of the fron of the Dells giving nice pad for hands while ThinkPad one goes out in the back without any regular shape.

ThinkPads and Dells both have ModularBays, by default DVDRW is put there, but you can put there an additional battert and this is when Dell is better. In ThinkPad you can put at most 3-cell 2700mHa battery, but in Dell you can put there almost two times more which is 6-cell 4320mHa and that makes a difference.

Beyond that I do not see other differences then design.

So the difference is keyboard layout (Dell) and better batteries (Dell) ... and proce (Dell).

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I don't want a ``throw-away notebook'' like the crap Acer or Toshiba sells, use them for two years and they break, I want something that lasts, and survives that occasional stupid idiot pushing my notebook off the table, or stepping on it, or ...
... or occasional run by car: http://youtube.com/watch?v=b9EBEjE6-Ws

There are many videos at YT about many models of ThinkPads and Dell, look at them.

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I would not call this good, my old Geforce 5200 FX card gives me ~2500FPS.
My desktop X3000 does 1400fps @ 2.4GHz CPU while current 3100 goes even fuether with 1800fps with 1.86GHz CPU with much less power consumption, the current Intel Q35 I have draws 5.5W at idle, I doubt that fx5200 will beat that. But we all know that Intel GFX cards are not designed for performance, but for small power consumption. With X3100 in my Dell D630 I get about 8:40 time with 9-cell + 6-cell batteries.

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As a sidenote, you can get some Dell notebooks (Including the 630) with nVidia cards, IMO this is worth it because the nVidia drivers are not only a lot faster but also support extra features like TwinView etc.
Yeah, get the Quadro NVS 140M because 135M and 130M and even newest 160M which is even slower then 135M are too handicaped, 140M is the only one that has both has 16 shaders with 128bit memory.

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Of course, this is not an option if you're anti-blob.
I do not care if its blow or not as long as it wokrs, I have had nVidia cards for quite long time, fx5900, mx200, 7300GT, and I must say that nVidia drivers is only a shit. With Xorg nv/vesa driver I got 60+ days of uptime on my workstation without any problem (I just do not turn that box off, its not matter of havinf longer uptime), with nVidia binary blob I always had random crashes and it blocked the IRQ of my sound card.

The other thing is support, X3100 has support everywhere, BSDs, Mac OS X, Solaris, ... everything, but with nVidia cards it will take more "fun" to make them work properly and without any guarantee for stability.

For the desktop gaming I would of course get some 9600GSO or HD4670, but for laptop it is more then ok, I just do not play on my laptop other games then old Fallout or Heroes of Might and Magic

I would also consider ThinkPad T61p which comes with a lot powerfull Quadro 570M with 32 shaders, but it will draw more battery power.

The only thing about my current laptop I can not be 100% satisfied is built in speakers, while D830 has stereo speakers the D630 has mono speaker, at least I got that info from the reviews on the net.

If you seek for ultra small notebook I would consider the 12" HP 2510p with extended battery, it has X3100 DVDRW and 8+ hours with extended battery.

Generally I would get Dell or ThinkPad with HP as last choice, mostly for small notebooks then casual 14" which are less good then the first two manufacturers.
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I'm considering this one:
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/nl/products.n...pi=web_express

I looked at Dell too, I'm not so sure about it, I have experience with ThinkPads, not so much with Dell (Only Dell PCs, and I dislike those).
I have no problems with the Fn/Ctrl keys on the ThinkPad keyboard.

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Other thing that that I liked on my D630 comparing to ThinkPad is batteries. The 9-cell battery goes out of the fron of the Dells giving nice pad for hands while ThinkPad one goes out in the back without any regular shape.
meh, very minor issue IMHO.

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ThinkPads and Dells both have ModularBays, by default DVDRW is put there, but you can put there an additional battert and this is when Dell is better. In ThinkPad you can put at most 3-cell 2700mHa battery, but in Dell you can put there almost two times more which is 6-cell 4320mHa and that makes a difference.
Guess this is better, but battery life isn't that important, as long as it gets 4+ hours it's ok.

Another advantage Thinkpads have over Dells is that I can order TPs at work, which means I get them cheaper, still slightly more expensive then Dell, but not much.

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The other thing is support, X3100 has support everywhere, BSDs, Mac OS X, Solaris, ... everything, but with nVidia cards it will take more "fun" to make them work properly and without any guarantee for stability.
I don't care about OSX and Solaris, it just needs to run FreeBSD.
Also, the nv driver will work on other OS's.

In any case, I just want a reasonably fast 3D card, if it matches the fx5200 in my desktop then I'm happy.
You see, the idea is to just replace my desktop with the notebook (Why keep the big desktop?), I'm not a heavy gamer, but I play some 3D games on occasion, play with blender on occasion, ect.
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