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My Dell Optiplex GX620 is proving to be rather slow for my needs, so I'm planning on building a new system. I intended on going for Core i7, but that's too expensive. I've listed the configuration below. Please let me know what you think.

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- General multimedia (music, videos, ripping, converting, etc.)
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- Print server
- General development
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- Desktop tasks (word processing, internet, etc.)

Configuration:
- Apevia X-QBOII MicroATX case w/ 500W PSU
- LG 22X DVD +/- RW Dual Layer LightScribe
- (2 sets for total of 8 GB) 2x2GB G.Skill DDR2-800
- Intel G45 Micro Motherboard w/ X4500HD Graphics
- Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
- Seagate 500GB SATA II HDD
Price: ~$650

Do the Intel drivers support the X4500HD including accelerated 3d?
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Do the Intel drivers support the X4500HD including accelerated 3d?
I don't think so. I'd love to be proven wrong.
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- Print server
I would propably buy a network printer here and attach it to my router.

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- Apevia X-QBOII MicroATX case w/ 500W PSU
What is its efficency?

Get PSU with as high efficency as possible, I would go for 400-450W with 85%+ for this box, check PSUs from here: http://80plus.com/manu/psu/psu_join.aspx

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- LG 22X DVD +/- RW Dual Layer LightScribe
I also have LG DVDRW, never had any issues with them.

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- (2 sets for total of 8 GB) 2x2GB G.Skill DDR2-800
Better get 2 x 4GB instead of 4 x 2GB - 2 times lower power usage.

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- Intel G45 Micro Motherboard w/ X4500HD Graphics
I would try Q45/Q35 for lower power usage, but G45 should also be ok here.

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- Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Get the low power 'S' version, its 65W TDP instead of 95W:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3505

Maybe e8600 will be better idea here, most things should be working faster with faster 2 cores (3.3) instead of slower 4 cores (2.8), and again, lower power usage ;p
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_4.html#sect0

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Stay away from Seagate, you drive will die in notime, also Seagates have too high Random Acces time, get WD Black or WD RE3 for speed and/or Green Edition for storage.
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I would buy an AMD Phenom II X4 or X3, while they can't beat the i7, they offer good competition for the Intel Core 2 -- And are cheaper too!

The Asus M3N-HD is a nice mainboard with good onboard graphics performance.
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The AMD system is about $70 cheaper. I'd rather get the better system than the cheaper but comparable at this point, so I can stretch it out a little longer. Also, the MicroATX boards for AMD suck.
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The AMD system is about $70 cheaper. I'd rather get the better system than the cheaper but comparable at this point, so I can stretch it out a little longer. Also, the MicroATX boards for AMD suck.
With new 45nm AMD's tripple core Phenom X3 you can enable the 4th core using ACC (SB750 south bridge):
http://techpowerup.com/86100/Phenom_...om_II_X4?.html

Also latest 65nm Athlon X2 can be upgraded to quad core using the same method:
http://bios.techpowerup.com/92330/At...Quad-Core.html

780G/790GX are great chipsets with great graphics and also low power consupmtion, but you will be limited to 2D with RadeonHD driver for some perios of time (propably about a year).
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I like to run everything stock. I don't like to overclock or mod at all.
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With new 45nm AMD's tripple core Phenom X3 you can enable the 4th core using ACC (SB750 south bridge):
http://techpowerup.com/86100/Phenom_...om_II_X4?.html
Also latest 65nm Athlon X2 can be upgraded to quad core using the same method:
http://bios.techpowerup.com/92330/At...Quad-Core.html
The X3 CPU's are X4 CPU's where a (small) defect was found in one of the cores, this core is disabled and the CPU is sold as an X3.
So yes, you can re-enable the fourth core, but if you have even the slightest care about stability, you will leave the fourth core disabled.
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That depends on the exact cpu you get imho, some are bad, some dont. Its just cheaper for AMD to do maintain only 1 line of quad cores and then brand them as they want instead of creating 3 lines of 2, 3 and 4 core cpus.

Also if they upgrade the microcode/instructions on the quad core, upgrades are automatically done in x3 and x2 as well 'for free'.
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You don't know what's wrong with the fourth core, maybe it's a subtle flaw that might not make the core broken at first, but make it more prone to breaking, or it might have a subtle flaw that might only show up once every X calculations.

It's a gamble.
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If I'm going to be limited to 2d, then I don't want it. I'm also not willing to spend on a graphics card.
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I've reconfigured the system. The configuration now is:

Antec Mini P180 Black Computer Case
MSI G45M W/ X4500HD Graphics --> The Q45 is lacking certain features.
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 500W
(2) Crucial Ballistix 2x2GB DDR2-800 --> The 2x4GB kits are ridiculously expensive.
LG 22x DVD +/- RW Dual Layer Lighscribe
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Western Digital 500GB SATA II
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I've reconfigured the system. The configuration now is:

Antec Mini P180 Black Computer Case
MSI G45M W/ X4500HD Graphics --> The Q45 is lacking certain features.
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 500W
(2) Crucial Ballistix 2x2GB DDR2-800 --> The 2x4GB kits are ridiculously expensive.
LG 22x DVD +/- RW Dual Layer Lighscribe
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550
Western Digital 500GB SATA II
So, what did you come up with for a final price?

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I also bought a new system ...

AOpen G528 casing
Asus M2N68-CM
AMD Phenom II X4 920
4x 2GB 800MHz Kingston RAM
2x 500GB WD Caviar RE3 (gmirror RAID-1)
SeaSonic S12II-500
Intel PWLA8391GT NIC

Seagate 80GB and 400GB hard disk migrated from my old system.

Total cost about 520 euro ... I bought the CPU on ebay for 140 euro (New in box, sealed), the rest is new ...

The CPU is so fast, this system is replacing a PIII 800, I was used to getting coffee with cookies when building a port ... Now it's done before I can get out of the chair
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The CPU is so fast, this system is replacing a PIII 800, I was used to getting coffee with cookies when building a port ... Now it's done before I can get out of the chair
Congratulations, CS!

The jump from your PIII to this one is huge, as you mention. I built a box for scottro some time ago that has a 3GHz Q6600 in it. Damn, that thing is fast. My dual Athlon (old style) builds world in about 45 minutes; his takes about 12 minutes. The extra cores help, but that is still twice the raw speed. His is also nearly silent. which takes a bit of work.

I'll probably put together an i7 system in a few months to replace this old workhorse. It is fine in most ways, but building things is rather tedious if you use source as I do.
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The CPU is so fast, this system is replacing a PIII 800, I was used to getting coffee with cookies when building a port ...
When I upgraded my desktop to a p4 2.4ghz from a p3 500mhz port compilation times dropped by 4x. I think you got yourself almost a 25x increase in compute power (throughput).
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The CPU is so fast, this system is replacing a PIII 800, I was used to getting coffee with cookies when building a port ... Now it's done before I can get out of the chair
I got the same feeling when I swapped from dual Athlon XP to Intel Q6600.

BTW, why GeForce 7050 / nForce 630a based instead of, for example AMD's 780G?
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I also bought a new system ...

AOpen G528 casing
Asus M2N68-CM
AMD Phenom II X4 920
4x 2GB 800MHz Kingston RAM
2x 500GB WD Caviar RE3 (gmirror RAID-1)
SeaSonic S12II-500
Intel PWLA8391GT NIC

Seagate 80GB and 400GB hard disk migrated from my old system.

Total cost about 520 euro ... I bought the CPU on ebay for 140 euro (New in box, sealed), the rest is new ...

The CPU is so fast, this system is replacing a PIII 800, I was used to getting coffee with cookies when building a port ... Now it's done before I can get out of the chair
I was interested because I am a reseller here in the US. It looks like your price is pretty much what I would have been able to build it here in the US for. Too bad the VAT would probably kill any competitive bid I could give you guys as I do ship to most international destinations (except Nigeria and the like).

Like you, I still like my AMD and I am a channel partner. The Opterons seem better to me than the Phenom though. Most of my servers are running dual core or quad core Opterons. Way more power than I need even for virtualization.

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So, the Core i7 system was coming close to $900. I figured that for longevity, I'd rather just go for a Nehalem Xeon system instead. I hope to get this by the end of the summer.

Cooler Master Cosmos
Sparkle Nvidia GeForce 9400GT
PC Power & Cooling 610W PSU
OCZ Gold 3x2GB 6GB TriChannel DDR3-1600
ASUS Z8NA-D6C Dual LGA-1366 Motherboard
Intel Xeon E5504 2.0 GHz 80W
LG BD/HD Reader DVD+/-RW Burner
Western Digital Caviar 500GB SATA 300
Price: ~$1000
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Like you, I still like my AMD and I am a channel partner. The Opterons seem better to me than the Phenom though. Most of my servers are running dual core or quad core Opterons. Way more power than I need even for virtualization.
I looked at Opteron too, but that would be much more expensive. The CPU is more expensive but I would also need to but a much more expansive mainboard.
This system is more than powerful enough for my purposes, I used a PIII800 and it (more or less) worked fine ...

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BTW, why GeForce 7050 / nForce 630a based instead of, for example AMD's 780G?
Because this was a nice mainboard for a nice price ... Usually the chipset doesn't matter that much (Depending on what you do with the system ...).
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