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Hi. Can Xfee86 be installed in FreeBSD 7.x (how, ports/package/off the sources)? And Can it do 3D acceleration (the type that is required for games)?
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phoenix, according to one of the most active developers of the radeon drivers...
"If the XAA/EXA switch is any indication, we're talking about four or five years before making it(1) the default, and probably another five years before it(2) gets ripped out." (1) KMS (2) Modesetting in the Xorg DDX. I can't comment on modesetting for the intel drivers, but it doesn't look like radeon users have anything to worry about for quite a while. Adam |
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>But X is not Linux but if X wants to be absorbed into Linux then they should be looking elsewhere cause then it's not portable code anymore.
How can they write 'portable' code if most devs are using some kind of Linux? And how portable are drivers for X? So I think you get the pattern.
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I'll have to dig to try and find the article, but I'm sure it was in an interview with one of the Fedora/RedHat developers that was working on enabling kernel mode-setting. It was along the lines of mode-setting will be pushed into the kernel, and once all drivers support GEM, they won't need mode-setting on their own, as randr would take care of changing resolutions at runtime. But I may be mis-remembering things or confusing things. I'll see if I can find the article, I'm sure it was linked from osnews.com.
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Xorg stopped working after I updated last weekend, normally I don't really update that often, but I did so in the hope to solve three other xorg related problems: o When switching from Xorg to a text-VT (i.e. CTRL-ALT-F1) Xorg leaves the screen in a garbled and unusable state... After switching a few times it does seem to work ... It *never* works after CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE (Needed sometimes for below issue). I experienced the same problem with FC10 on three different machines recently ... VERY annoying. o Sometimes when using the `Meta' (Or `Windows') modifier Xorg would freeze, only the mouse responding and CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE responds -- Note that I've been using the same WM (With the same config, and same version) for quite some time and never experienced this problem before. o Stupid ``Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0.0".'' warnings, annoying especially because I don't use menus and launch everything from inside xterms (Message is `mostly harmless', but just annoying). The reason for this warning is rather silly, it's because the X libs support this extension, but it isn't supported by the X server yet ... Modular Xorg better my foot! Quote:
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X is not simple, in fact, it's very complicated, making a Xorg fork will take a lot of manpower ... Also, as far as I understand is, Xenocara is not exactly a fork, but more a set of patches (OpenBSD people will undoubtedly correct me here if I'm wrong and/or provide more details on this) Quote:
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It would be interesting to see if it would work, all the fancy 3D features are not that interesting to many of the BSD people, who mainly prefer stability over performance ... As for the Linux/Xorg integration ... It seems like a very hypothetical issue that may or may not happen ... I would rather worry about the issues at hand (i.e. Xorg becoming crappy&unstable) rather than the issues that may or may not occur... And as for ``Linuxism'' in other applications: This is certainly true, but the difference is that a) There are often alternatives for the ``Linuxism apps'', and b) That Xorg is more than just any application, it is a critical part of a desktop system.
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The issue is ``solved'' now, but is was silly that the issue existed in the first place.
It's like shipping an OS with a chmod utility while not supporting file permissions ... :-/
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Xenocara is de facto OpenBSD fork of XOrg. It is heavily patched XOrg which is used on OpenBSD. As you probably know X is more intimately integrated with OpenBSD than FreeBSD. X is not the part of the OpenBSD ports tree like in FreeBSD. You can only select to install X during the OS installation and you have no choice of which parts of X will be installed. I am almost sure that you can not compile Xenocara on anything else but OpenBSD. That is significant for two reasons. Incorrectly configured X server is the source of the greatest security risk on the typical desktop installation. This way X is server is configured by a security competent dedicated OpenBSD/X developer. Secondly, since the X is in some week sense part of the OpenBSD kernel it is subject to the same standards of OpenBSD. That means that it is stable as ROCK and works as advertised. The negative side of above approach is that in terms of X and drivers you get only the things which are consider by OpenBSD team as stable and usable. XOrg used by OpenBSD is usually one version number behind the XOrg releases. Common complain by a typical Linux user is that Xenocara doesn't support 3D. That is absolute nonsense. The truth is that 3D is much more stable on OpenBSD than anything else but is limited (particularly on i386 junk) in the scope of the hardware it supports. For example Xenocara does support accelerated X server on quite a few SUN video cards but a typical Linux and if you want FreeBSD user couldn't care less about non Wintel Hardware. Last edited by Oko; 25th May 2009 at 09:38 PM. |
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PCC and OpenBSD backed tool chain soon. Groff will be replaced by Nroff as the part of the same effort. Groff is C++ so it can not be compiled by PCC even if it was BSD licensed and a good simple implementation of Troff. The rest of the Desktop stuff in userland really depends from person to person. I already mentioned that personally the only Linuxism I use is mencoder which is part of MPlayer. I could really check but except TeX I have absolutely no other significant parts of the system that are even GPL licensed let alone Linuxism. |
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It lack x11 compatibility layer, if it would contain that, then it would have a lot bigger chances to succeed imho.
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During FreeBSD installation you can select X. The problem is that version of XOrg is as stable as vanilla XOrg so most users opt out and install the latest and the "greatest" version of XOrg from ports. |
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