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Default openBSD 4.5: success w/virtualbox 2.2.4

Just thought I'd share ... I have just succeeded in installing and operating openBSD 4.5, 32-bit, as a GUEST in VirtualBox, 2.2.4 (released just last week), running on a Vista, 64-bit, (AMD) host.

Previous, I was unable (kernal panic and/or segment faults) to get 4.5 to work with previous versions of VB -- i.e. not with 2.2.0, or 2.2.2.

Getting 4.5/2.2.4 working was a still a bit cantankerous, but the following key/principal settings are working.

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--v--
Video Memory: 32M  (16M did not seem to work even without X)
ACPI: Enabled
IO ACPI: Enabled
VT-x/AMD-V: Disabled
Nested Paging: Disabled
PAE/NX: Enabled
3D Accel: Disabled.

Hard disks:  IDE Primary (PIIX4 controller) 
USB: Enabled (no filter)  (seems to be *just* needed by OBSD for it to progress the boot/enumrate the ECHI hub.)
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openBSD 4.5, as guest, panicked if I tired to present VirtualBox's puedo SATA interface to it. Used IDE (non-SATA) instead. Not sure if bsd.mp is needed or not. Unfortunately, on my last attempt (which was usccessful) I changed more then one VB setting and OBSD install elective -- including bsd.mp was one of them.

My host system is Vista-64, AMD dual-core 2.8GHz, ASUS M3A78-EM, which has the AMD 780G/SB700-series chipsets.

I may play with the settings to try to identify what is minimally needed, but right now I need to get on with USING the virtual machine, not WRESTLING with it.

Just thought I'd share that just-released VirtualBox 2.2.4 appears to have advanced itself sufficiently to run an openBSD 4.5 guest.

Good luck all.
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Excellent. I'm planning to do the same thing with a similar setup. I assume you did an OpenBSD netinstall.
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...I assume you did an OpenBSD netinstall.
No.

I first downloaded (ftp) the "install45.iso" (i386/32-bit) to the Vista host. Then, in VirtualBox, in the openBSD guest's CD/DVD-ROM settings, you enable "Mount the CD/DVD Drive," and enable "ISO Image File," and path to install45.iso.

When you "start" the openBSD guest (virtual machine), it will "boot" the install45.iso just as if this were physical CD-ROM media in a real physical CD-ROM drive on a real physical machine. (It's very striaght forward.)

From there you just follow the install as if it were from the CD-ROM, including all the distro sets.

You can also do a half-and-half by downloading and "booting" "cd45.iso" (instead of install45.iso) and then getting the "rest" of any needed sets over the net.

install45.iso is the whole works. cd45.iso is a skinny boot-only image. If you're on high-speed broadband, get install45.iso; it's just the easiest, especially if you end up wrestling with openBSD/VirtualBox.

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Default Interoperability update: Network Adapters -- intel PRO 1000 M vs. MT

Interoperability update...

GUEST Network Adapter types:
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Intel PRO/1000 T Server (82543GC) /*seems to "just work" (no seg faults). */ 

Intel PRO/1000 MT Server (82545EM) /*emits sporadically "segment fault" errors.*/
My ASUS M3A78-EM HOST as real REALTEK RTL8168C(p)/8111C(P) family PCI-E GBE NICs.

When BRIDGING the above HOST adapter to the openBSD GUEST adapter, using the "MT" type guest adapter results in sporadic openBSD-level "seg faults." Using the "T" type guest adapter has been operating well.

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Theo has already publicly stated that VirtualBox is horribly broken.. it doesn't emulate the x86 properly.

I cannot comprehend why people keep trying to use OpenBSD in a virtual environment.. that's like putting 50 locks on your door while keeping a window wide open.

Just say no, beige boxes will always triumph in dark cold clammy corners.

Reference: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=120492689515501&w=2
Relevant words of wisdom: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=124051336616777&w=2
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I cannot comprehend why people keep trying to use OpenBSD in a virtual environment..
  1. I do not have yet-another beige box.
  2. I do not want to install compiler and other tools on the production boxes -- a definite security risk/threat vector.
  3. I do not want to suck another 130 WATTS or so nor produce its equivalent in carbon footprint operating yet-another beige box, when a virtual machine *may* instead use an incremental 7-11 WATTS on my under utilized existing machine.
  1. I do want to form (and subsequently fold) a pilot / proof of concept sandbox to play in and keep safe my other production machines and environs.
  2. I do want to use an under-utilized machine that I already have in-hand for (A)'s purposes rather then breed yet-another under-utilized beige box.
  3. I do want to understand visualization -- in all its prevalent variants -- as part of my professional standing as a CISA, CISM and CISSP. And the best way to do so is live in and on the stuff, rather then parrot "someone says."
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  • Dated. Fifteen months of development and advances in the tool.
  • The reverse of the cited argument is also true: the development and use of VM engines has surfaced all sorts of hard-core errors and crappy code lurking in O/S of all flavors and drivers resulting in across the board corrections and improvements.
  • Most projects learn and cooperate in the new ecosystem; certain projects don't.


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  • The ticket is still open and unresolved.
  • I'm quoting the project leaders views on virutalization, hardly an unreliable source or parroting.

Running OpenBSD in a VM makes OpenBSD vulnerable to bugs in the VM code, it can lead both developers and users down the wrong path.

Low cost, Low power x86 hardware exists.. I do understand that embedded Atom and Via Nano processors use very little power.

IMHO, real hardware is always a better option, virtualization will simply never quite cut it.. and considering the developers will not take any VM bug reports seriously, you're essentially using an unsupported setup.

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  • I'm quoting the project leaders views on virutalization.
Some projects recognize, learn and advance the ecosystem; other projects don't. We've agreed on the point. We've disagreed on its attitude.

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  • I'm quoting the project leaders views on virutalization
Code:
-- Harry Chapin Flowers Are Red lyrics

(Spoken)Your son marches to the beat of a different drummer, comer.
(Spoken)But don't worry,
(Spoken)We'll have him joining the parade by the end of the term

The little boy went first day of school
He got some crayons and started to draw
He put colors all over the paper
For colors was what he saw
And the teacher said.. What you doin' young man
I'm paintin' flowers he said
She said... It's not the time for art young man
And anyway flowers are green and red
There's a time for everything young man
And a way it should be done
You've got to show concern for everyone else
For you're not the only one
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen 
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
Well the teacher said.. You're sassy
There's ways that things should be
And you'll paint flowers the way they are
So repeat after me.....
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen 
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
The teacher put him in a corner
She said.. It's for your own good..
And you won't come out 'til you get it right
And are responding like you should
Well finally he got lonely
Frightened thoughts filled his head
And he went up to the teacher
And this is what he said.. and he said
Flowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen
Time went by like it always does
And they moved to another town
And the little boy went to another school
And this is what he found
The teacher there was smilin'
She said...Painting should be fun
And there are so many colors in a flower
So let's use every one
But that little boy painted flowers
In neat rows of green and red
And when the teacher asked him why
This is what he said.. and he said
 Flowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen. 
But there still must be a way to have our children say . . .
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one

-- Harry Chapin Flowers Are Red lyrics
Yes, bsdfan666 (and the cited leads), beige PCs are beige and, in some circles, "there's no need to see flowers --err beige PCs -- any other way."


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Finally installed OBSD in VBox using the iso and thanks. Has anyone succesfully got carp and psfync working using two obsd virtual machines of course? That's my next step. I'm using a Vista host on laptop.
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Yes, revzalot. I use Qemu for network testbeds of that sort. And while my normal use of Qemu is on an OpenBSD host, I *have* run the Windows version. The biggest differences on a Windows host were:
  • Requirement for an explicit -L on the command line
  • No obvious way to use -nographic
  • Different virtual NICs work or don't work correctly on each OS.
My personal preference is to interconnect Qemu virtual machines with multicast sockets.
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Thanks for this great post, ..... any idea why does it tell me that /dev/console does not exist?

I used all the settings you posted + dynamic space 20G... i did not fully allocated them...

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... any idea why does it tell me that /dev/console does not exist?
Sorry, no i do not know why. Are you using 2.2.4 or did you manage to grab the LATEST, latest, 3.0.0? If 3.0.0, then perhaps it introduced something.

You DID NOT try to install the "guest tools," right.

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... + dynamic space 20G... i did not fully allocated them...
oBSD fits nicely into 4GB static, unless you're planning on pounding on the compiler a lot.

I've --personally-- NEVER used a dynamic with *UNIX file systems.

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Thanks for replying me, I am using 2.2.4, and I tend to give my v-machines lots of space ..just in case :P

any way I will try to allocate 4GB and try one more time and btw I still did not try to install guest tools yet D:
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... btw I still did not try to install guest tools yet D:
There are no true BSD guest tools, just linux ones, which is why I asked.


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I just bumped my virtualbox to release 3.0.0 (from 2.2.4) and re-started my three (3) openBSD 4.5 (32-bit) guests.

Code:
-----(em0)openBSD1         openbsd2(em0) ------ (em0)openBSD3
             (em1) ------- (em1)
All is in in order so far!

In fact, now with VT-x/AMD-V: Enabled (and working), the openBSD-as-guests network performance "feels" faster. Too early to tell (quantify) for sure.

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N.B.: fresh out of the oven, 3.0.0, released 2009/6/29.
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I must be something wrong cause this time I faced so many segment faults now :P

any way thanks so much for trying to help
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