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Old 6th May 2008
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It's called SMIL
In addition, much can be accomplished with CSS2, now that CSS2 support is improving in IE.
The upcoming XHTML2 also offers a richer set of interactive stuff.
SVG also offers animation features.
Either I've been sleeping under a rock, or they have found themselves in the same boat as ogg. I'll have to check them out.


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Also, mp3 is an open standard ...
That's quite debatable. Their is a lot of controversy over their licensing and who actually owns the patents, etc. (remind you of another thread on this board). I think I heard where they (whoever thinks they own it) were or are thinking of going after users now to collect licensing fees. And many Linux distros don't even provide mp3 support anymore for fear of being sued - you have to get them from third parties in an almost cyber-black market.

I also think that it mp3 an inferior format to ogg, but that my be a bit subjective.
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APNG and MNG are 2 potential replacements for GIF, but they're not interactive.. SVG as mentioned above is decent.
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I've been thinking about this some. I can't seem to answers this part.

Is there an open source alternative to Flash based games? My wife plays these all the time and in coming up with an alternative to Flash, I think this is the real hurdle.
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A lack of flash support is the only thing that keeps me from using FreeBSD on my desktop - I never had much luck with running it via Linux emulation. It's getting harder and harder to avoid sites that use flash these days.
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Is there an open source alternative to Flash based games? My wife plays these all the time and in coming up with an alternative to Flash, I think this is the real hurdle.
Java is open source nowadays, right? I guess java applets/webstart would be the next best thing...
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Java is open source nowadays, right? I guess java applets/webstart would be the next best thing...
So is Flash used a a wrapper to easily make java applets without the need to learn java? If so then is there some Open Source utility that would do the same?
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Ah, you mean you want a flash/actionscript interpreter?

There's gnash and libswf ... Neither work very well for me...
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What I'm thinking is that people program games and such in Flash because it's "easier" than programming in Java. Therefore, to put a dent in Flash there would need to be sometype of Open Source alternative that would allow a web developer to accomplish the same types of applets with the same leve of "simplicity".

If something like this exists, I'm unaware of it and this seems to me like a good project to attempt. I don't think I have the time for something this invovled but it would be interesting.
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I like SVG tetris, It's a perfect example of a "free" alternative to flash, you can actually view the source of the game as well, it's a text format.

http://www.croczilla.com/svg/samples.../svgtetris.svg
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The upcoming XHTML2 also offers a richer set of interactive stuff.
XHTML does not work in IE and there are no plans for it either.
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SVG also offers animation features.
SVG does not work in IE either.
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SVG does not work in IE either.
Ironically it's available in the form of a plugin from Adobe.
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Yes, I forgot about that. The problem, though, is IE users need to install the plugin and I don't recall if they have to go to the Adobe site to do that or what needs to be done. In any case, SVG is natively supported in all other browsers.
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Just a slighly SVG related update..

Places using SVG to provide interactive content:
Google Maps (Entirely in SVG, Minus the Street View function which is Flash..)
WikiMapia (Uses Google Maps API..)
Microsoft Live Maps (I was equally surprised by this fact..).

I'm sure there are other examples of SVG's use, just again, proving flash isn't necessary in this world.
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The DD-WRT firmware uses SVG too, in the bandwidth section
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All I program is Flash/Flex/Action Script 3.0 when I'm not programming Objective-C. I like C, but I still have to get it second nature. Change is the only constant a programmer understands. If you don't anticipate and adapt to change, you're not really a programmer, but I spot on the wall.
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Change is the only constant a programmer understands. If you don't anticipate and adapt to change, you're not really a programmer, but I spot on the wall.
I disagree entirely, I'm well versed in the ways of a good "temper tantrum".
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