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Old 22nd February 2010
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I built my first website with GeoCities waaaayyy back \o/
I am very, VERY happy to announce this site has completely disappeared from the interwebz!
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Although once in a billion, you might find some juicy content, somehow I doubt anyone is gonna miss anything on GeoCities.

I remember it well, for the number of unmaintained and often fugly sites hosted.
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From my Thinkpad hardware maintainence manual:

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Important notices for handling the system board:
When handling the system board, bear the following in mind.
o The system board has an accelerometer, which can be broken by applying several thousands of G-forces.
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This includes EVERYBODY that does NOT use OpenBSD, thus causing much hate for EVERYBODY else

I certainly am glad more ppl do NOT use OpenBSD, there would be less ppl to hate?
You right about this man.BSD systems are mostly servers and not good for personal use.They require TOO MUCH to know!
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That is funny, I never knew it was possible to know "TOO MUCH".

Please stop trolling here eurovive, the day we stop learning is the day we die.
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BSD systems are mostly servers and not good for personal use.
Interesting. I run OpenBSD exclusively at home -- both for desktop use & otherwise. It is an improvement over past choices. It is a great alternative for those who are willing to delve into the manpages & other documentation. It's time well spent in my opinion.
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I've always loved the argument "you have to know too much." It's pretty much synonymous of "I'm too lazy/can't be bothered to learn."

Do you have any idea how much you have to know to have a commanding use of the English language. Vocabulary, grammar, obscenities... it's a staggering amount of information. Granted some people aren't masters of the literate arts and most of it is passively learned but just look at the work involved in learning it as a second language (any language is applicable here, particularly if it comes from a different language tree than your native.)

Just sayin'. My FreeBSD is weak, and my Russian professors can speak better English than me because I am a lazy SOB.
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I've always loved the argument "you have to know too much." It's pretty much synonymous of "I'm too lazy/can't be bothered to learn."
Nirbo, it may mean, "it's more complex than my application should require, compared to other options." E.g., in Windows, you only need to enter the pop3 and smtp server, user name and password, and you can send and receive e-mail; in OpenBSD, however, you need to configure your local sendmail server, install fetchmail from ports and configure that, to be able to send and receive e-mail. (OK, it doesn't have to be exactly like that, but it will suffice for this example.) One could argue that, "you have to know too much" compared to Windows.

In a similar vein, in the US, to get a driver's license, one has to learn the rules of the road, how to read road signs, and practice to pass a driving test. To get a CDL (Commercial Driver's License), you have to learn all of the above, but also how to diagnose engine trouble, service your vehicle, how to drive when hauling certain cargo, where you can and cannot drive due to restrictions on certain classes of cargo, who to contact and when for escorts through the various states, counties and municipalities, etc.. One could argue that "you have to know too much " to acquire a CDL. And that would be correct if all you need or want to do is to drop your kids off at school; however, if you need to haul a wind turbine blade across the country, then you need a CDL.

Bottom line, I wouldn't necessarily write it off as laziness or deliberate ignorance, but rather opting for another solution.
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What makes you believe this?

The BSD systems are not Intuitivive and not graphically helped (wizarded).
And they are mostly for peoples who are Pro.
And at some machines like mine Toshiba Notebook P25-S487 FreeBSD requires special or custom kernel compilation , otherwise it doesn't installs.
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Gents, take it outside.


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The BSD systems are not Intuitivive and not graphically helped (wizarded).
And they are mostly for peoples who are Pro.

and you demonstrate very little knowledge of computers.
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The BSD systems are not Intuitivive and not graphically helped (wizarded).
If you desire hand-holding during installation, then yes, the *BSD family may not be for you. However, for those that understand the installation process (& this doesn't require being a professional, but it is oriented to those who take the time to study the documentation...), each is very lean & to the point.
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And at some machines like mine Toshiba Notebook P25-S487 FreeBSD requires special or custom kernel compilation , otherwise it doesn't installs.
Without knowing the specifics of your hardware, it is difficult to put this into context as no dmesg(8) output has been provided. Even if compilation is required, kernel compilation in each of the *BSD's is fairly straightforward if sufficient care is taken in understanding the documentation. If installing FreeBSD is your goal, it may be possible to bypass compilation altogether in favor loadable kernel modules. My guess is that you are lamenting the fact that your hardware isn't supported out-of-the-box. Again, without dmesg(8) output, nothing can be substantiated, & nothing can be solved.

I would recommend to you to put time into reading the documentation & try installing again. Post specific information & questions into the appropriate installation subsection. You may be surprised at what help you can get when informed & concise questions are asked. Yes, it may take time, but you may learn a lot from the effort.

I would also recommend you read the following thread:

http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=596

...as it helps frame how effective questions can be asked. It is easy to fall into the trap of vague generalizations which cannot be substantiated. The real problem is that nothing gets done when in this hole.
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and you demonstrate very little knowledge of computers.
No i am demonstrate that i almost don't know about BSD.
Not about computers.I have desktop pc and laptop since 2000 and 2003.
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Nirbo, it may mean, "it's more complex than my application should require, compared to other options." E.g., in Windows, you only need to enter the pop3 and smtp server, user name and password, and you can send and receive e-mail; in OpenBSD, however, you need to configure your local sendmail server, install fetchmail from ports and configure that, to be able to send and receive e-mail. (OK, it doesn't have to be exactly like that, but it will suffice for this example.) One could argue that, "you have to know too much" compared to Windows.
I hate to interrupt this "interesting" discussions but you have to get your facts straight.

Sendmail (OpenSMTPd soon instead) is configured on OpenBSD. You do not need to do anything. Just type

mail e-mail@address.of.your.friend

and you will be able to send the e-mail. The problem is that such an e-mail will be usually bounced because you do not have fixed IP address, reverse DNS and the proper MX record.

It is not true that you can send an e-mail on Windows machine without configuring smtp. You have to specify forwarding smtp server of your Internet service provider or third party (Gmail, Hotmail). Well guess what
configuring Thunderbird on Windows machine is exactly the same as configuring Thunderbird on OpenBSD.

Last time I checked Thunderbird can fetch emails from both POP and IMAP accounts. You have to configure them on Windows, OpenBSD, or any other
platform. The same goes for all other e-mail client. If you do not want to configure anything you have to use web-interface to check your e-mail.




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I find Windows's wizardedly installer too confusing and slow, and annoys the crap out of you. So I prefer the OpenBSD installer where it just ask you a few questions and you are up and running, no need to bother with serial number and activation and bogus "Windows Genuine Advantage" and "Windows Activation Technology" annoyance and countless un-patched zero day system exploits.
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Oko,

I think we're talking about the same thing here, but in different terms.
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Sendmail (OpenSMTPd soon instead) is configured on OpenBSD. You do not need to do anything. Just type

mail e-mail@address.of.your.friend

and you will be able to send the e-mail. The problem is that such an e-mail will be usually bounced because you do not have fixed IP address, reverse DNS and the proper MX record.
Yes, you can type "mail someone@example.com", and it will be sent; but, as you pointed out, it will most likely be rejected. So we agree here. However, does it "just work" without further configuration? If the intended recipient does not receive it, I would say not.

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It is not true that you can send an e-mail on Windows machine without configuring smtp.
I agree, which is why I wrote:
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in Windows, you only need to enter the pop3 and smtp server....
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Last time I checked Thunderbird can fetch emails from both POP and IMAP accounts. You have to configure them on Windows, OpenBSD, or any other platform.
I agree with you. However, on both Windows and OpenBSD, Thunderbird is not part of a base install, which is what seemed to be one of eurovive's implications of his statement, "[BSD systems] require TOO MUCH to know."

For what it's worth, I believe that people's resistance to OpenBSD (or any other *nix-type OS) is not that it is too hard or requires "TOO MUCH to know," but rather that it is different from what they are used to using. It takes anyone a long time to learn "how to use a computer." Once they know that OS (which 95% of the time is Windows) and applications, they want to compare anything else to what they already know. (Hence the resistance to Windows Vista.)

Oko, I don't see where we disagree.

Anyway, enough rambling.
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I don't remember the zombie survival handbook covering this particular scenario ....
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Finally back to topic.... hehe :-)

Pass the brains please.
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http://www.diskeeper.com/Diskeeper/premier/premier.aspx
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PCs with Diskeeper run more efficiently saving corporations thousands of dollars in energy costs each year. Diskeeper can save an estimated $3.22 per PC per year in energy costs. It makes bottom line dollars and cents to install Diskeeper on every PC on your network.
Oh yes, I am saving a whole 3.22 dollars A YEAR!!!! What an amazing program, how do they do it? It is magic!!!! When will it be ported to BSD?
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That morality is based on perception and reason acting upon each other rather than against
determines an action as being right.
Let's say that my reason for an action is unselfish and your perception is of it being as such, then the action can be considered as moral between the both of us.
If my action is unselfish and you perceive it as such then we agree the action is immoral.
In the event that my action is unselfish and your perception differs, you will see the action as immoral.
And such if the reason is selfish and your perception is the opposite, then you view it as moral.


Society and conditioning of the individual whether through immediate culture or events shapes a person's basic understanding of right and wrong, creating many exceptions to the postulations above.
How then can we measure morality?
You cannot, it is individualistic.
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