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Old 21st May 2008
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Sigh, of course, this Sunday, I have to go with my wife to look at Apple computers--I wouldn't trust her on a PC and I don't have the energy to support BSD or Linux for her.
I got mine a Mac Mini(before the intel versions) for the same reasons.
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Support is a big issue. The company I work for has contracts with the government. If we wanted a FreeBSD workstation there is no way they would just let me build one, we would have to purchase one from a company that offers a support contract with the machine (same reason we have Dell workstations (Windows) and HP servers (HP-UX and RHEL)). So for bigger companies who are required to have support contract on all their machines they purchase this would (I cannot believe I am saying this) an acceptable price for a desktop. And i am sure if a company is going to buy 100 of these they probably get a sweet discount. If my company would let me have a FreeBSD desktop at work i would never leave them.

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Well, I was curious enough to drop them a line, linking to this thread. Perhaps they'll give us an explanation.

Sigh, I do need to get a life one day.
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As many of us thought, there is a logical explanation. I'm giving Mr. Oleander's reply. (Received within, I would say, less than a half hour after sending the inquiry.)

(This posting of his reply is with his permission.)

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Hi Scott!

Thanks for your comments. We recently upgraded the website and, in fact,
this is really just a place-holder for a higher-end system. If you haven't
noticed yet, you can not actually purchase this system from the site and
the details are rather skimpy. This is because we've recently qualified a
BSD Worksation platform as a viable option and hadn't finalized all of the
hardware selection at the time of the site rollout. The picture that is
posted is not actually the chassis for the final product, which is much
more robust that what is shown.

However, that being said, yes, I am sure any self-sufficent DIY sysadmin
can certainly build their own system for less. Our customers that have
pushed for a BSD Workstation offering tend to be larger than a do it
yourself-er and require purchases of this nature to be from a company that
they can rely on for support after the sale. The final price of the actual
released workstation will probably be higher. This is because most of them
will be dual boot, RAID'd systems with the option for SAS drives, large
amounts of memory, etc.

Once the final product is ready for sale, we will do a formal press release
and I will probably post on one of the FreeBSD mailing lists. Also, we've
just finished writing the NIC driver for our new laptop and are in the
process of final tweaking and testing. Once again though, this probably
won't be a consumer product offering but more of a rugged corporate product
for multiple unit sales.

Sorry for the confusion and yes, please, go ahead and post this response in
your forum reply *waves*!
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I wonder if it's been discussed and perhaps even answered on the PCBSD forums? ...
Not that I can recall reading anyway.


I would rather hope that it's not just an (annoying) OEM/ODM thing going on that drives up the price tag.


I could understand high price tags _if_ it costs them more to get a working system going, but hell you can shop off the 'net and build one. And of course it's not really a large market either compared to the ease of finding Wintel's.


Matt Olander is a decent guy, although I'm not fond of iXsystems. I would still trust him to be reasonably honest about most things, so it wouldn't hurt to ask him.



At least, Matt hasn't banned me yet for calling him "Molar Man" or "Molar-ander" on IRC yet



I personally would consider buying a server from iXsystems if I had fundulation for a proper server machine in the first place. But I have a sort of 'build it yourself' nature hehe when it comes to regular PCs, for which I'm knowledgeable enough to shop for compatible parts and avoid most paper weights I see.


PS:

DrJ, did you have to make me drool over that 'workstation' ?
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DrJ, did you have to make me drool over that 'workstation' ?
Yes, absolutely.
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This is some pretty cool news!:

iXsystems: BSD Workstation

And, the laptop is on the way.

(p.s., Maybe there should be a "News" forum. I couldn't find a better place than here to put this.)

For substantially less than the price on these units is outrageous, I could purchase a lo end Dell PwerEdge Sc 420 server with 8gb of memory for about the same price the would out perform a fully loaded version of this machine, let a lone a dell vostro for around 500 and bothe the Vostro and Power Edge i just mentioned are IMHO far more versatile machines.
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