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Old 21st July 2010
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I think the key is what is your goal?

If you want to learn I would recommend OpenBSD as the documentation to install, configure and populate with applications is concise and up to date

Slackware is in many ways similar although I do not think the documentation is as good. Slackware has the advantage that all software (not just the base system) has security updates
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386

OpenBSD used to have security updates for secondary packages but this was too much given the number of platforms supported by OpenBSD.

In my opinion PC-BSD is the BSD equivalent of SimplyMepis. You are likely to get a working KDE desktop but you will not lean much about BSD unix in the process.

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... You are likely to get a working KDE desktop but you will not lean much about BSD unix in the process.
This is exactly what I seem to have learn about FreeBSD as Host on VirtualBox. In the end, all build is on x-windows and not BSD. It really pissed me off. I came to FreeBSD to learn what make it tick and by right, as a Virtual Host or whatever, it should make since to act as a switch "ONLY", but somebody want to hard-sale (demote) it to be a desktop like LINUX/WINDOWS and not true BSD/UNIX. Who really knows ...

Don't get me wrong, pcBSD is great but I'm talking pure BSD as a newbee who can only guest things out.

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It really pissed me off. I came to FreeBSD to learn what make it tick and by right, as a Virtual Host or whatever, it should make since to act as a switch "ONLY", but somebody want to hard-sale (demote) it to be a desktop like LINUX/WINDOWS and not true BSD/UNIX. Who really knows ...

Don't get me wrong, pcBSD is great but I'm talking pure BSD as a newbee who can only guest things out.
Having access to something like X or KDE isn't a problem, they don't get in the way of the FreeBSD parts unless you use it as a crutch to avoid learning the lower level. You can also figure out what makes FreeBSD tick by cuddling up to the OS itself, that can be done over a virtual system, ssh link, or a local install doesn't matter. I suggest starting off with the boot manual page and studying how the system starts up and does its magic. Same can be done in Ubuntu, Windows, and most other systems.


Most of it is fairly typical unix stuff. Different branches in the family tree and extended cousintry have silghtly different ways of doing things: compare FreeBSD, BSD, and System V style init systems.


The problem with PC-BSD from that perspective, is if you treat managing the system like a FreeBSD system: you will create more work for yourself. Avoiding that, tends to require knowing both the FreeBSD and PC-BSD portions. You can however learn the FreeBSD side of things from PC-BSD, just be careful what you dick with and note or backup important changes.
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Deal with or di*k with... heehee, what a typo. I feel I really bit off more than I can chew fooling with virtual-machines. I had more fun learning stuff like PF and lots of FreeBSD commands. Virtual-machines need to come out of a box ready to run other than stealing all of my future BSD and web programming time. I had pcBSD installed on primary-3. Now that I think about it that what I should been trying to vBOX with all along but now I am burn-out and I read many have been having big bugs problems with it, mostly un-resolved unless you using pcBSD 7.1.1 and an old vBOX. Whatever the case I will never give Windows Primary-1 again. FreeBSD lives on my Primary-1 forever so they best get their act together and come off the bull-sh*t because I can live with-out Windows. Been 4 months and counting
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