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Debian + FreeBSD
Has anybody tried Debian with the Freebsd kernel? Sounds nice to me, basically a pf/altq enabled system with a nice(r) package system. But does it work i real life?
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What's the point in installing that 'mongrel' while You have abou 22.000 packages in FreeBSD packages repository?
From what I know, it works, if You are not sure, then download it and try it under VirtualBox.
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Sure it works.
Depends. You can run Debian and FreeBSD at the same time and a Linux compat layer. Very few take advantage of this. It was run by Aurelian Jarno- I'm not sure if it is now. The name means little to those outside of the qemu and debian communities. Generally, the OpenBSD community finds no use for either FreeBSD, NetBSD, or any other. There are plenty of jokes about such systems on the mailing lists- and here with Oko's reply. Any OpenBSD developer that wishes to help someone using anything else, has to do such in secret for fear of ridicule and ostracization. I'm on the mailing lists, so I know what is said. Before it is said; yes, there is a lot of spam and flamebaiting. There are the occasional honest questions which do get bombarded by the mob. Most debian users won't use the Debian/kFreeBSD system because of the GNU "holiness" attitude. Hearing about Stallman gets old fast. Use it if you want. Make your own decision. The answers here are based on opinion. I'll need to explain the last statement. Even with experience, your judgment will be affected by your perception and attitude. Mental perception is not an absolute and is prone to human error. Emotions and personal situations affect judgment. |
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Finally, something intelligent in your post. Last edited by Oko; 10th June 2011 at 06:10 PM. |
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When you install a package all of its dependencies are also installed.
If you uninstall that package, you have then all these useless dependencies on the disk. On debian, you can de-install such "stale" dependencies with one command. You can't do that with pkgsrc or ports, can you? |
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Okay. The word nicer doesn't need a capital letter for emphasis, use the italics and bold options together. The word is cheap- inexpensive, low quality- and not cheep- onomatopoeia based upon the sound young birds make. "There have been huge" and not "there has been HUGE " it would be "There has been a huge". "The" should be in front of the sentence starting with "PF version." Altq does not need to be used at all. Using the m or n dash before "by compiling" is what you should have done. It is "a" or "the" before "custom kernel." The use of the definite or indefinite article is needed more in English. For someone that is well versed in programming and systems, your grammar is representative of a nine year old. |
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Respondents to this thread should take the time to review the Forum Rules which clearly states:
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Let's leave the flame bait to the fanboys on other forums which aren't as interested in truth. |
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On OpenBSD (I am OpenBSD user) default package system is pkg_add (ports are only used to create packages by developers or advanced users) so it is for practical purpose binary distribution (just like Debian). pkg_add does automatically resolve dependences (much like ports not only on OpenBSD but also on FreeBSD and pkgsrc and even binary pkgin (tool for binary packages built by pkgsrc)). It is very easy to recursively deinstall packages or to list packages which you can prune. pkg_add, ports, pkgsrc have all their week and strong points (irrelevant for most but very special power users) but a feel comfortable stating that they are superior to apt-get. I use Linux when I have to. My Linux of choice is RedHat (Scientific) but I had to use Debian quite a bit. There are definitely many instances in which Linux is more suitable or sometimes the only system that can do the job but apt-get argument is definitely not one of them. Last edited by Oko; 10th June 2011 at 06:06 PM. |
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P.S. By the way the fundamental problem with Debina/kFreeBSD is licensing as FreeBSD kernel can not be relicensed to GPL even by an infinite stretch of imagination. That is way the project (Debian/kFreeBSD) was dormant for many, many years. |
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The Debian/kFreeBSD is probably what should have been. On OpenBSD: It's good and stable. I had to drop it from my B&W G3 because GNOME and orca requirements were more than I had available. Make and configure are much better because the user has more control over the build- my opinion. Last edited by Ninguem; 11th June 2011 at 02:36 AM. Reason: Stopped to read. |
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I'm still amused everytime I read something about the hurd though. Its like the Duke Nukem Forever of kernels!
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Duke Nukem Forever was just released I hear, so, the world needs a new vapourware analogy.
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Check these ports/packages: http://freshports.org/ports-mgmt/pkg_cleanup/ http://freshports.org/ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves/ http://freshports.org/ports-mgmt/pkg_rmleaves/ There are also graphical frontends (QT/GTK) for packages management: http://1freshports.org/ports-mgmt/bxpkg/ http://freshports.org/ports-mgmt/qtpkg/ Check also the ports-mgmt category, ot offers a lot useful tools for packages and Ports management: http://freshports.org/ports-mgmt/
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BSD flavors are known to be more stable.
The use of sudo and allowing anyone to use su do not qualify for security. |
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I said, I was not interested in bite flames anymore in particularly the one that has nothing to do with the original post. MAC control was not mentioned in the original post so I do not know why are you brining that stuff up? If you need MAC control Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD have that so theoretically should be equally secure. OpenBSD doesn't have and it is not going to get any time soon. Consequently, I have seen many people in OpenBSD community migrating from OpenBSD to Windows due to security reasons.
Cheer, Oko Last edited by Oko; 13th June 2011 at 06:29 AM. |
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haha indeed.
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Some interesting updates to the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD:
http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2011/0...n-gnukfreebsd/
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religions, worst damnation of mankind "If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened." Linus Torvalds Linux is not UNIX! Face it! It is not an insult. It is fact: GNU is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not UNIX”. vermaden's: links resources deviantart spreadbsd |
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The one thing i find about Debian/kFreeBSD is the partitioner, it is the most fussy OS i know. It doesn't accept anything less than a primary partition (very annoying if you already have 3 primaries). Although now that i think about it Windows is pretty fussy & annoying also, i rank them on nearly same level of annoyingness for problems & issues but windows outstrips it with their constant bugs and working failures of the most basic tools.
Another consistent thing i have found is a USB error, installed it on 4 different comps & a virtualbox and you still get the same usb error. Which is wierd because installing the standard FreeBSD will not present this error. No matter how many ways or systems you install it on. Those are the main reasons why i don't use it (more the usb error, it f's up my keyboard), handling a simple hardware incompatibility or software problem that is 1 off is kool, but a consistent error is just f'ing frustrating (especially with an unresponsive keyboard). Its just easier in my opinion to run FreeBSD and compile what you want yourself (also more satisfying), unless you just like the idea of having the "Debian" brand name in front of it. Last edited by SL6-A2000; 22nd August 2011 at 02:15 AM. |
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