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Old 30th September 2011
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Default Any run *BSD on an Aspire One D257 Laptop?

Anyone try Open or FreeBSD on an Aspire One D257 laptop?

I've come across a few reviews...don't have the points here to post links here yet. But googling for "Aspire One OpenBSD" returned one review that looked like it worked.

The model that caught my eye is an Aspire One D257-1854:
  • Atom N570 processor (1.6Ghz, 1MB L2 cache)
  • 1GB DDR3 RAM
  • 3-cell lithium
  • 250GB HDD

Obvious, tons more power than one needs for a pleasant BSD experience. Just a question of drivers. If necessary I could live without wireless...mainly I want to boot, use text editors and compilers, play with unix.

Curious if someone else has tried it before I plunk down $250.
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Anyone try Open or FreeBSD on an Aspire One D257 laptop?
I can only address OpenBSD. I don't use FreeBSD.

The best way of answering compatibility questions is to search through the archives of the project's misc@ mailing list.

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&w=2...aspire+one&q=b

Archives can be found on numerous sites; many are listed at the following;

http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

Unfortunately, I did not see anything specific to a D257. However, if you read through related searches above, there is more than one occurrence of trackpad compatibility issues. I have also seen off-the-shelf Windows also have trackpad issues, so Acer must have a flunky trackpad supplier. The solution is to plug in a USB mouse.

When it comes to hardware compatibility questions, the OpenBSD project is too small to test everything available. The best method is to go to vendors with a clear return policy, & be very clear as to the conditions of that agreement before purchasing. If it works, great. If it doesn't, you have an avenue to get a refund.
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Thanks ocicat.

I was somewhat inspired by this review of someone running OpenBSD on it...I'd be happy with either Open or Free:

http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=a...20081019040000

Some discussion of an older model:

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=382

I guess I was just looking for more data points :-)
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I was somewhat inspired by this review of someone running OpenBSD on it...I'd be happy with either Open or Free:

http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=a...20081019040000
That http://www.undeadly.org article is nearly three years old. Manufacturers tend to swap out existing parts for cheaper alternatives as product model lines mature. Apple is notorious for this practice. I would be cautious thinking that any recommendations made there still hold today.

But if I did go ahead & chance it, I would buy from a vendor who would honor returns if I later decided to do so.
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You can start from a LiveCD and check of everything works (Wireless, sound, etc).
As Ocicat mentioned, not all Acer Aspire models are alike, and there can be great differences even if the model no. is the same.

This way you can see which works better without reinstalling.

For OpenBSD, I recommend jggimi's LiveCD: http://jggimi.homeip.net/

I don't know of a FreeBSD LiveCD that isn't either very old or that doesn't suck ... Maybe someone else can offer some suggestion there.
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Thanks for the plug, Carpetsmoker. Two things to note:

1) Live media based on OpenBSD 5.0-release has been prepared, and will be made publicly available on or about 1 November, concurrent with 5.0-release.

2) The mailing list is temporarily inoperative, pending a patch from gilles@ and eric@, as I converted from sendmail(8) to smtpd(8). I'll be editing the mailing list web page this weekend, until then, please ignore it.
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I took the plunge - they're only $228 at Wal-mart. Worst case, I'm pretty sure I can run Linux on it (prefer not to :-)

I created a OpenBSD 4.9 flash disk wih bsd.rd and it recognized everything...realtek ethernet (re0), intel wifi (iwn0), hard disk, keyboard, etc. The network devices show up in ifconfig so they're all working.

Not sure about: trackpad, camera, bluetooth, etc. Will have to get into those after I install. Really hoping the trackpad works.
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5.1-release will have an enhanced Synaptics/ALPS driver. Meanwhile, the trackpad should behave as at least a mouse for you. If you can't wait until May of next year, you could install -current, as long as you understand all of the implications (most of which are discussed in FAQ 5 and FAQ 15).

Bluetooth has a limited tools suite on OpenBSD, primarily for BT modems.

If the camera is using webcam standards, then yes, it'll work.
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Got a quick "does it work" OpenBSD 4.9 install done and all is well:
  • Display works for X (just trying X out of the box - haven't gotten to better window managers)
  • wired and wireless ethernet seen
  • keyboard/mouse work
  • USB storage works
  • camera is recognized in dmesg
  • audio is recognized in dmesg
  • there is a "not configured" device which I suspect is the card reader

The Intel Atom N570 is described as "2 core, 4 thread". OpenBSD sees it as four cpus.

The Intel.com site lists the instruction set as 64-bit...though it only supports a max of 2GB of memory. I think I'll stick with i386.

Hardware-wise, my only complaint is that the mouse click is a bit stiff. Keyboard is pleasant enough and the device is a nice thin Kindle-sized netbook. And now it's even better with OpenBSD :-)

dmesg:

Code:
OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC.MP) #794: Wed Mar  2 07:19:02 MST 2011
    deraadt@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
real mem  = 1060986880 (1011MB)
avail mem = 1033474048 (985MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 04/26/11, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xef735, SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0xe5840 (33 entries)
bios0: vendor INSYDE version "V1.04" date 04/26/2011
bios0: Acer AOD257
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP HPET APIC MCFG SLIC BOOT SSDT SSDT SSDT WDAT
acpi0: wakeup devices P32_(S4) UHC1(S3) UHC2(S3) UHC3(S3) UHC4(S3) ECHI(S3) EXP1(S4) EXP2(S3) EXP3(S3) EXP4(S3) AZAL(S4) MODM(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
cpu2: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu2: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor)
cpu3: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 1.67 GHz
cpu3: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 0, remapped to apid 4
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe0000000, bus 0-255
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 4 (P32_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (EXP1)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP2)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 3 (EXP3)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (EXP4)
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu2 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu3 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 98 degC
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibtn2 at acpi0: LID_
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT1 model "AL10A31" serial 2796 type LION oem "SANYO"
acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0
acpivout0 at acpivideo0: DD02
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xda00! 0xcda00/0x1000
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1663 MHz: speeds: 1666, 1333, 1000 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Pineview DMI" rev 0x02
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel Pineview Video" rev 0x02
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0x40000000, size 0x10000000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 4 int 16 (irq 11)
drm0 at inteldrm0
"Intel Pineview Video" rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801GB HD Audio" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 16 (irq 11)
azalia0: codecs: Realtek ALC269
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 16 (irq 255)
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
re0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Realtek 8101E" rev 0x05: unknown ASIC (0x4080), apic 4 int 16 (irq 11), address 00:00:00:00:00:00
ukphy0 at re0 phy 7: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 2: OUI 0x000732, model 0x0008
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 17 (irq 255)
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
iwn0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel WiFi Link 100" rev 0x00: apic 4 int 17 (irq 10), MIMO 1T2R, BGS, address 78:92:9c:11:ab:f4
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 18 (irq 255)
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
vendor "Realtek", unknown product 0x5209 (class undefined unknown subclass 0x00, rev 0x01) at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 16 (irq 11)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 17 (irq 10)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 19 (irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 16 (irq 11)
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb3 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xe2
pci4 at ppb3 bus 4
pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel Tigerpoint LPC" rev 0x02
ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 82801GR AHCI" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 17 (irq 10), AHCI 1.1
scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <ATA, ST9250315AS, 0001> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
sd0: 238475MB, 512 bytes/sec, 488397168 sec total
ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 82801GB SMBus" rev 0x02: apic 4 int 17 (irq 10)
iic0 at ichiic0
spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 1GB DDR3 SDRAM PC3-10600 SO-DIMM
usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
spkr0 at pcppi0
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support
uvideo0 at uhub0 port 3 configuration 1 interface 0 "Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd. WebCam" rev 2.00/82.57 addr 2
video0 at uvideo0
vscsi0 at root
scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
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Moving this thread to the OpenBSD subforae since discussion has been OpenBSD specific.
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Even if the system only has 2GB of physical RAM, installing OpenBSD/amd64 has some nice benefits.. larger virtual address space, 64-bit registers, and W^X is implemented using the NX bit in the page tables vs the old segmentation trick they use on i386.

A lot of people running Linux choose to use the 32-bit port due to closed source software not being available for 64-bit systems, but for most OpenBSD users, that's not an issue.

Many portability problems have also been solved, the 4.9 release had 6620 i386 binary packages and 6570 amd64..

There is little reason these days not to install OpenBSD/amd64 if your system natively supports it, of course, if you already installed OpenBSD/i386 you can always choose to reconsider when 5.0 is released.
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If you're curious, the device shown in your dmesg is indeed the SD/MMC card reader, it doesn't appear to be supported yet.

vendor "Realtek", unknown product 0x5209 (class undefined unknown subclass 0x00, rev 0x01) at pci3 dev 0 function 0 not configured
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It looks like it was added to -current in June, and will be in 5.0. I found this in sys/dev/pci/pcidevs.h:
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#define    PCI_PRODUCT_REALTEK_RTS5209    0x5209        /* RTS5209 Card Reader */
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Even if the system only has 2GB of physical RAM, installing OpenBSD/amd64 has some nice benefits.. larger virtual address space, 64-bit registers, and W^X is implemented using the NX bit in the page tables vs the old segmentation trick they use on i386.
The laptop actually only has 1GB at the moment (could expand to 2GB), but your points are interesting. I was thinking 64-bit would consume a little more memory for processes allocating 64-bit pointers and such. But it probably doesn't really make much difference.

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There is little reason these days not to install OpenBSD/amd64 if your system natively supports it, of course, if you already installed OpenBSD/i386 you can always choose to reconsider when 5.0 is released.
I reinstalled with amd64 and everything seems to work!

For anyone whoever googles for this - the exact model is the Acer Aspire One D257-13450.
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It looks like it was added to -current in June, and will be in 5.0. I found this in sys/dev/pci/pcidevs.h
It seems someone added it to the pcidevs file, however, no driver seems to attach to the RTS5209 yet.

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The laptop actually only has 1GB at the moment (could expand to 2GB), but your points are interesting. I was thinking 64-bit would consume a little more memory for processes allocating 64-bit pointers and such. But it probably doesn't really make much difference.
There may be some increase is memory usage, but it shouldn't be too bad.

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I reinstalled with amd64 and everything seems to work!
Glad it's working for you.
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