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View Poll Results: what linux distro do you use and/or like?
Redhat / Centos 23 18.25%
Suse 2 1.59%
Debian 26 20.63%
Slackware 23 18.25%
Gentoo 12 9.52%
Ubuntu 20 15.87%
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Slackware since the early nineties and sometimes Debian if I have to (servers) Most of the time hardware dictates the operating system and my wife is using scottros os of choice Fedora. Guess why? ;-)
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Errm, why? Pulse audio? You wear a Fedora? I use it because we use CentOS at work--at present, now that the AR5007EG wireless works with 64 bit I just installed 64 bit and upgraded to rawhide. Sound doesn't work well, and I can't get nspluginwrapper to work--I don't know *what* they did with it this time, rather than creating an nspluginwrapper command it has a directory in /usr/lib/exec with some things in it, and of course, the documentation seems to have nothing to do with it.

Hrrm--wife, and guess why.... Cute backgrounds? Ok, that's my guess, cute backgrounds.
In the days when I had more BSD time and only used Linux because I wanted flash 9 and virtualization (Sorry vermaden, but you have to allow we old timers some perks) I just used Arch.

Now, here's the embarrassing part. One can actually make a CentOS or Fedora minimalistic installation. However, I'm lazy--I tend to put in all sorts of things at the beginning so I don't have to go back and do them later. For instance, you can install it without X, without gnome, without cups, etc. etc. However, I don't. (looks abashedly at his feet
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For instance, you can install it without X, without gnome, without cups, etc. etc. However, I don't. (looks abashedly at his feet
Can you really install it without cups ? (Centos 5.1) Whenever I make a minimal installation I always get cupsd and some other things like bluetooth which I end up removing manually

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Can you really install it without cups ? (Centos 5.1)
Not that I know of. Even the minimal install includes all kind of goodies and services turned on.

It takes a few steps post-install to really trim it down.
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I use Gentoo and SuSE at work. I'd be hard pressed to say I like them.
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I use Slackware (currently using 11.0). I've used it since 1997 (before that it was DOS, never really got into Windows). Every five years or so I seem to upgrade the whole system, when the libraries get out of date, lol. I like Slackware's DIY approach; YMMV etc.
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@gkontos

I haven't done it in awhile, and make sure you have a CD or DVD with a yum rpm on it, but the trick is to uncheck base system in package selection. That includes lots of things you don't need. (Also uncheck everything else in all the package selections.)

It gives you a nice minimal system.

There's a Linux program, similar to FreeBSD jails, called Vserver which also gives you a REALLY small install, doesn't include, for example, less, which ssh and a few others that I'd consider basic.
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Errm, why? Pulse audio? You wear a Fedora? I use it because we use CentOS at work--at present, now that the AR5007EG wireless works with 64 bit I just installed 64 bit and upgraded to rawhide. Sound doesn't work well, and I can't get nspluginwrapper to work--I don't know *what* they did with it this time, rather than creating an nspluginwrapper command it has a directory in /usr/lib/exec with some things in it, and of course, the documentation seems to have nothing to do with it.

Hrrm--wife, and guess why.... Cute backgrounds? Ok, that's my guess, cute backgrounds.
In the days when I had more BSD time and only used Linux because I wanted flash 9 and virtualization (Sorry vermaden, but you have to allow we old timers some perks) I just used Arch.

Now, here's the embarrassing part. One can actually make a CentOS or Fedora minimalistic installation. However, I'm lazy--I tend to put in all sorts of things at the beginning so I don't have to go back and do them later. For instance, you can install it without X, without gnome, without cups, etc. etc. However, I don't. (looks abashedly at his feet
No it's quiet easy: Flash (9) and some working hardware.
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Ah, I see. They are usually quite good on hardware support.

Have I mentioned anywhere in this thread that thanks to FreeBSD's Sam L. the infamous AR5007EG card now works with MadWifi and 64 bit?

Also, I see that my earlier mentioned problem with nspluginwrapper *is* documented on their wiki. Shame on me.

Sorry Fedora guys.
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Well, actually I tried to launch Gentoo 2007 live DVD on my machine (very common, non-exotic one), but it stopped halfway after loading the kernel. Frankly I was disappointed and didn't even bother to google about this. I've been looking forward to the next release.
By the way what are your particular reasons to ditch Gentoo? Not for holy war, just to understand your position.
PS. Anyway my primary OS is still FreeBSD.
Just to give some background, I was using Gentoo for over two years. Since 2005, I've seen quality go down the drain. It takes ages for packages to get into stable, and it wasn't like that before. I ran unstable for most of my time with Gentoo. On top of that, the default set of USE flags for each package more than likely give you a butchered package. For example, MPD (MusicPD) has support for almost every common media format out there, but by default Gentoo only enables a handful. You need to adjust the per-package USE flags. To do this, you have to look them up because they are not self-explanatory. It's the same for every other package. Plus, now you have package managers like Paludis being developed and support by some developers, while others continue to use Portage or pkgcore. I understand choice, but at least developers should use the same platform. This is one thing that got to me. I run KDE SVN, now KDE 4.1 Beta 1, and the Gentoo KDE 4 team switched midway to Paludis. I did not want to install Paludis, but I had to. I didn't like it, and I ended up breaking my system. I've broken my Gentoo system about eight or nine times, about three in the past six months, and I've used stable flags for years. So, I just about had it.

These days, I'm of the mindset that optimizations don't always yield real-world results. I say that because I run Debian. Unless Debian compiles all its packages with suitable optimizations and then tests each package, packages on Debian are just as fast as those on Gentoo, if not faster. Firefox always crawled for me on Gentoo and was one of the buggiest I've ever seen. It's never been like that on OS X or Debian or FreeBSD for that matter. And, I wouldn't be able to have all my programs installed on Gentoo and the system configured the way I need in one hour, at most two hours, as I've been able to on Debian. I guess I just look more for the "it just works" rather than the theoretical "it works best". I don't know if you can really test the latter, as much as Gentoo claims.

So, I guess distance from the Gentoo philosophy kind of got to me. One thing I liked about Gentoo was the USE flags system, but after using FreeBSD for a while, it's very very poorly implemented. I like how FreeBSD lets you do per-package optimizations without ever having to make additional configuration files. The way FreeBSD does it is the best, and I'd like to see more of that in Gentoo, but until I do, I stick with Debian.

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thanks everyone for the suggestions.

just finished installing debian. its by no means perfect but i think this time i will stick with it.
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Debian has a very rigorous package testing process. The stable branch is seldom updated with revision releases, and occasionally point releases. It will not have the latest software available because of Debian's opinion that the latest does not always mean the stablest (if that's a work). So, if you're not using Debian in a production environment, then I'd recommend upgrading to Debian Lenny/Testing. You'll have access to newer packages that have been tested and are being used to develop the new release. I run Debian Sid/Unstable, which has not given me any trouble yet. I also use packages from the experimental branch. You may want to give Sid a try if you want a rolling release system and up-to-date packages. The other option for you is to setup a mixed system. This involves APT pinning, which allows you to give priority to which branch you want to use more than others. You can also explicitly specify the branch when you use APT. Debian is quite robust, so the possibilities are endless.
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I like Slackware, but mainly because I used it to experiment with NetBSD's pkgsrc on Linux and there's some old but still pertinent documentation on how to use pkgsrc with Slackware.

Unfortunately Slackware 12.1's installer wouldn't work properly on the machine I was using, so I switched it over to OpenBSD. I'm now experimenting with using pkgsrc on that OS.
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I used Slackware for six months, three years ago.
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Hello,

After trying several distros, I settled on Slackware about two years ago (starting with version 10.1). It works for me very well (though, it might not be for everyone - especially those looking for the bleeding edge of development).
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I use Ubuntu and CentOS but i have tried many distro.
I have tried Slax 5.x and I found myself well.
It's light and i like very much the presence of loadable modules on the fly.
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Back in the day I used Debian. Tried Fedora, CentOS, Gentoo, et all. If I had to go back to Linux, it'd be a tough decision between Debian and CentOS.

But, I don't see myself leaving FreeBSD any time soon.
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what linux distro do you use and/or like? (i know its a dumb question.)

i want to use linux but am unable to decide which distro to use ... I need something developer centric but at the same time reasonably stable (which rules out fedora).
i am hoping this poll will help me decide.
... you've chosen Debian, and that would have been my recommendation. You can use -stable or even -testing for everyday life and you can use -sid/-unstabe for developing purposes.

I'm using Debian now for four years and I have to admit, that it's my favorite OS since then. The two main reasons are stability and aptitude. Up to now I haven't found another package management system, that is so easy to use and so powerfull (in respect to my needs!!!).

I really like OpenBSD and it is the one OS that could replace Debian. But I don't think that this will happen soon, because I'm working in the media business. Broadcasting via internet using flash becomes more and more important and we all know that flash on *BSD is no fun up to now.
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