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I use it because I like it. 11 23.40%
I use it because my job demands it. 11 23.40%
I use it because its in fashion and don't wish to be an outcast. 1 2.13%
No Java for me, thank you. 25 53.19%
I don't like managed code. 8 17.02%
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What's your relashionship with Java?

Love to hear your comments, experience with Java, its's pro's and con's ... almost anything except flaming.

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No flaming? but that's the best kind of comments.

My not so ephemera-approved flame: Boo! Java!
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Hmm, Java ....


Design wise I like Java very much. Relationship wise? Ehhh I don't think I can actually say that here... haha.


I'm mostly indifferent to the question of single or multiple inheritance -> I just don't care. So that part of Java doesn't really effect me, I however love Javas interfaces quite a lot. Maybe because I'm not a big OOP man, I really like the idea of a "you implement the entire interface or I'll spit on your grave" concept in Java.



To me, OOP is just one syntactic way of doing the right thing not a requirement for good design.



I think Java is a very fine language but I don't actually like to write in it !!!


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    IEspeciallyHateLongNames likeThis = new IEspeciallyHateLongNames(KillTheCoderNow);

    WhenThis is = new WhenThis(asReadable);

The former is how to much of the Java code I've read looks (without to many exaggerations) and I find it aesthetically 'annoying' to say the least...

Especially if they pump the code full of thick identifiers that will go out of scope a few lines later and are barely used, just because they can use up 70-90% of a line for nothing.



How Java handles exceptions, I dislike having to work with it but feel it is better then the alternatives.


Things that I generally dislike about Java? Probably occasional javac'isms that are not necessarily part of Java but make their way into tools for it and become general facts of life with the language.


Not to mention how long it can take to compile or start some Java apps compared to doing similar stuff via Python or C++.


Maybe using a lot of scripting languages out of lack of time and having 2GB of RAM on one machine has made me less of a patient person about waiting on programs to become usable.
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The fact that I need a dual core and 2 GB RAM just to execute a small script kind of stops me from using Java...
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Scripting is all I need.
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What's my relationship to Java? I don't have a formal relationship with Java, she's just a little thing on the side... Perl's my real gal

Sorry... couldn't resist.
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I did Java in university and it wasn't all that bad. It's very easy to hack together a working application rather quickly. However having used many Java-written applications over the years I've grown to detest how pathetically slow and buggy it is. Hopefully this will start to change now it's truely open, but I still think anything of any importance should have more time invested in it and should be written in C or C++.
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Hate it as much as I hate paying taxes. Have to live with it.
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I ignore Java as much as I can ...
It have same nice pros but currently too much cons for me.
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What's your relashionship with Java?
While I'm not overly enthralled with Java's verbosity, I have found OpenGrok (a Java application...) to be a very useful code browser. The NetBSD project has set up a sanctioned server themselves, & independent servers have been set up for some of the other projects:Sorry FreeBSD folks, I thought I remembered a OpenGrok server set up for the FreeBSD source base, but either the server is no longer available, or my memory is faulty.

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i recall having read about opengrok long time back (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/projec.../manual/story/) but never really tried it out and it eventually slipped my mind.
thanks to Ocicat for bringing this up. It looks good, i will check it out.

also, groked source code for BSD on the web is a very useful resource. pity freebsd is missing/unknown but i guess one can easily create it on their own computer.
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Err what relationship?

I don't particularly hate it, I don't mind to use it neither...
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Err what relationship?

I don't particularly hate it, I don't mind to use it neither...
Sorry, I forgot to add the "tepid" option.
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I hate Java so much that I once re-wrote an existing Java web application in Delphi!!
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i hate java so much that i once re-wrote an existing java web application in delphi!!
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I avoid java like I avoid Jack in the Box.

Unfortunately, I need to use a proprietary java application to encrypt my connection to my employer's mainframe; this means I have a JRE installed on my workstations.

I also occasionally get called on to write add-on java applications for our proprietary Business Intelligence suite (which provides a nasty, poorly documented SDK).
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I generally dislike java applications and programming in java.
Applications tend to feel heavy and slowish even with todays superior hardware.
Java code is too verbose and I often hit various java quirks while programming (which isn't very often).
Though - java has been useful in couple of cases where multiplatform gui applications were needed.
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Hello,

I can't really say, yet. I'm taking the required Java course this fall at the university. But, I can say from a users point of view that I don't like Java programs. They always seem to be so slow - especially at startup - and very temperamental. The way Java plays out for me as a user has always been a turn off for me to learn it (but I don't have a choice at the university).
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I didn't used to like Java at all because of it's closed nature, so I'm not that well educated about it. However now that the OpenJDK has been released, I'm actually pretty excited for where Java is going. I may even see if I can try to learn it.
P.S. FLOSS recently had a great interview with the guys that were the driving force behind the OpenJDK. http://twit.tv/floss33
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