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Historically, Thinkpads, as developed by IBM, were solid, well built laptops. Many developers, including a number of official OpenBSD developers, wrote code while using Thinkpads. Because of this, Thinkpads are a safe hardware bet for OpenBSD. Personally, I run OpenBSD on a T43 with very few issues. It has been a good marriage. |
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Sounds great, thank you ocicat!
So do you think the new lenovos aren't as good as the old IBM ones? |
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The original IBM Thinkpads were developed & marketed in a time when people were willing to pay for a durable product. Today, the expectation is only to keep a laptop for a few years, & a cheaper price is more attractive than a solid product. Plus, as computer sales have opened up further away from the typical corporate user of old, the average buyer doesn't understand quality & solid construction. Computers today are commodity items. People, more often than not, buy at a price point, not other factors. Last edited by ocicat; 18th January 2014 at 08:28 PM. Reason: added missing article... |
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I guess you are right with this regrettable trend to cheaper products. But still the homepage attracts with military standards and high reliability (assuming you can trust this ad). Furthermore its laptops are NASA certified, aren't they?
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Would I buy another Lenovo? Probably. Will a future Lenovo laptop be as well built as my old T43? Probably not. Some official OpenBSD project developers use Lenovo laptops. Searching the misc@ archives will show periodic discussions on various models. Lenovo laptops will probably continue getting preferential treatment (support), but don't get fixated that Lenovo is the only choice around. Most developers have multiple laptops. I do too -- from different vendors. Given how laptops have standardized through the years, sticking with one particular vendor is not always cost effective. You haven't asked this question, but I will attempt to anticipate the question you really need to ask: "How does one decide on what laptop/desktop to buy for running OpenBSD?" The answer is threefold:
If a laptop has an incompatible wireless card, determine whether it can be replaced, or find a USB wireless dongle which is compatible. The most supported USB dongles at the moment appear to be based on Realtek chips. See the urtwn(4) manpage for more information. Finally, information on the project's official mailing lists can be found at the following: http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html A favorite mailing list archive by many involved with the project & readers here is: http://marc.info/ |
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So, thank you once more ocicat! I haven't even get startet with OpenBSD and you helped me so much allready Last edited by undercover_penguin; 19th January 2014 at 12:59 PM. |
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The project's mailing lists are for use by the developers -- not the general community. The project's mailing lists are designed for deep, thoughtful, specific relevant information exchange. The project's mailing lists are not intended for pointing people to information easily found in the documentation or archives. The project's mailing lists are not designed to facilitate the lazy. Questions which are not thoroughly researched & documentation may very will receive very scathing replies about how poorly the poster understands what they ask about, how poorly they have articulated needed information, and/or how poorly they have researched the archives for similar issues. If this seems unfriendly, recognize that the mailing lists are theirs. They support the infrastructure, so they can target their usage how they see fit. Just because the mailing lists are accessible to all does not give everyone the right to ask anything. More newbie-type questions are better suited for forums like this one or the openbsd-newbies@ mailing list. jggimi wrote up comments on how newcomers should frame their questions -- especially if they are asking for support: http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=596 These are similar to what Eric Raymond classically described as how to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Please consider these. All members of the community should consider the responsibility & integrity required. |
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Probably you will be surprised but I did not even consider to post on these lists.
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Separating this thread from its parent thread:
http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880 Given how discussion evolved specifically to comments about Thinkpads (where I thus far am a contributor...), I am moving this side discussion to its own thread. Others may have other comments on this same topic of laptop compatibility. |
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FAQ 3.7, on appropriate first/learning systems, touches on laptops.
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq3.html#FirstSys |
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That's what I have quoted in my first post and initiated this discussion
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I didn't mean to offend you jggimi and appreciate your help on this topic
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It may also be worth checking out the NYC*BUG dmesgd (http://nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd) (sorry - not allowed to post links yet) to see if there's a dmesg for a laptop you're considering.
Don't forget to add your dmesg to dmesgd as well. Last edited by ocicat; 28th January 2014 at 06:07 PM. Reason: enabling URL |
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Your account has now been enabled to post links.
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FWIW, my Thinkpad T43 runs OpenBSD with little that doesn't work 'out-of-the-box' on a fresh install; its a 2 ghz 2g ram all intel processor/graphics model. I do have a newer, faster laptop, but the wireless card is not configurable with OpenBSD -- not that that is a big deal, as my little rsu chip runs perfectly. But my T43 remains my favourite box because it has such great build quality. I were wanting a laptop to use for OpenBSD, I'd try to land a T43 or T42 --- still fast enough, but the build quality is second to none. Perhaps not as beautiful as a macbook, but very rugged and manly looking Of course, YMMV.
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