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View Poll Results: Which vi do you use? | |||
original vi | 10 | 19.23% | |
nvi | 4 | 7.69% | |
vile | 0 | 0% | |
elvis | 0 | 0% | |
vim | 34 | 65.38% | |
some other vi clone | 0 | 0% | |
I don't use vi | 4 | 7.69% | |
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll |
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So, I'll just use elvis that did install and work from the jump drive. It's primarily only for emergencies when I need a text editor and not for regular usage, so I'll deal with it. But, thanks anyway - great link!
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I thought you might run into that problem. UWin is not really meant to move a single program around: you do need all the libraries (and ksh) to make use of them. While you can probably set it up on a flash drive, it might take more effort than it is worth.
For a simple and occasional use of a vi-like editor, use whichever one you want. |
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If you want something original - in terms of code - there you go: ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/bsd/Un...ons/Ritter_Vi/
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http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/index.html By the way heirloom mailx formerly known as nail (still used under the same name in OpenBSD) is in my point of view the best email client by a mile. I am using it everyday for all my emails. |
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I suspect that you, like me.. hate people who use HTML in email.
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HTML email is so evil, It's all outlook's fault, It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to stop my outlook from sending HTML emails .. (I have to use outlook at work, exchange, and the !@# sysadmin won't enable IMAP :-()
I also understand why I get so many emails with an empty subject line, outlook doesn't even have a ``remind the user if the subject is empty'' feature(?!) (I'm still figuring out how to use vim as an external editor.) Woe is me!
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Joking aside nail is ok with HTML cr*p as you can damp the html message into Lynx. What really annoys me are people who are sending email messages with Java Script. I recently had very unpleasant conversation with one of the business that sends me periodic new letters (emails). I worn them that if I ever receive an email in HTML form full of Java Script links that their email account would be forever blocked. Guess what kind of messages I receive now from them Plain text |
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Could you expound on why you think mailx is better than any other MUA - such as mutt (which I'm starting to use).
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On another hand Nail is Mail on steroid with full MIME support. High quality simple code that does the ob right. It confers to Unix philosophy. It means, it does only what it is support to do. If you need the editor to edit the mail you can call vi from nail. If you need to spell check you call ispell from within the vi. Allows you to send multiple attachments, receive them. You can pipe the things like HTML messages to lynx. In another words it is a very, very good Unix program that doesn't duplicate other functions. It is extremely easy to configure by editing .nailrc. It has imap and smtp support included. It supports TLS both on IMAP and SMTP side. You can do multiple accounts. It includes Bayesian junk mail filter. It is trivial to use any spam filter with it. Easily to manage many different boxes. Can display massages as threads. It is easy to embed into your web-applications. I could just go on and on. The tarball is also far smaller than Mutt. Oh, did I say the classical Berkley Mail interface that I dig very much That is being said I used Mutt mostly in order to help other people so I am really strongly bias towards Nail. I have used for a long time Pine on various proprietary Unix-es so I could talk more about it. Cheers, OKO |
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Also, I'm a little confused - what is the relationship/differences with nail and mailx (which comes in the base system)?
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'mail' was the default mail user agent on Unix afaik. Basically, it's the ed of MUA - you could use it on a typewriter without problem. Eventually 'mailx' came out, which was an improved version of it, which last I looked was what FreeBSD used for their /usr/bin/mail. A quick look on Google shows that nail is as OKO stated, mailx on steroids, or a "modern replacement for the ancient mailx" utility adding IMAP/SMTP support and what nots.
Personally I think a pure MUA that leaves everything but the most core elements of it to external programs is great design; but I find something that can at least send mail in isolation easier to work with, when hoping between different apps (mailx, mutt, kmail, thunderbird, webmails, etc).
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Well I've been using UNIX since the early 90s (Irix), but together with elm only, I have to confess ;-) . Later pine, nowadays mutt. But as I'm using an Asus EEE900A with OpenBSD 4.4, maybe I will try nail too.
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There's mailx (http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx.html), which is like mailx but supports IMAP, MIME, SSL, etc.
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This one used to be called nail, as mentioned above... which is entirely unrelated to this topic as well. OpenBSD still calls heirloom mailx "nail". |
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So originally it was mail, then it was improved and was called mailx, then it was supposedly improved and renamed nail and now they are calling it mailx again. Is anyone else seeing stars on this merry-go-round? What is the mailx that ships with *BSD today?
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>Mailx command is based on BSD mail command, but it also provides some
enhanced features http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/mail/mailx.html It's not the best information, but at least some information Addendum: Maybe this sheds some light on the origin: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/mailx_history.html
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use UNIX or die :-) Last edited by Oliver_H; 9th November 2008 at 09:49 PM. |
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Whoops, guess I smoked a carpet too many
What I meant was ``there heirloom mailx which is like mailx ...'' ... Guess I forgot a slightly critical word at a slightly strategic location.
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