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Kuro5hin: FreeBSD Owes Apple Big
Did anyone notice this story at kuro5hin:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2008/11/17/16268/141 It claims that Apples has given so much back to FreeBSD that FreeBSD should pay back by merging with Darwin. I guess someone could write a well-argued rebuttal... |
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Wow.. such ignorance.. it's just sad.
That article is full of erroneous research.. "Apple's own GCC4?" please.. someone ban this guy from the Internet. |
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kuro5hin!? I thought that was dead and buried. He's either stupid as they come or trying to provoke BSD users into a flame war, my vote is both.
Hmm, should I file it under /dev/trolls/firestarter or /dev/null? Tough choice ;-)
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Just read the Wikipedia article about Jordan Hubbard, one of the co-founders of the FreeBSD project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Hubbard
Now who owes who?
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This dude was the first Linux troll at the official forums.
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Could this be true? I don't believe FreeBSD takes code from Darwin, anyway..
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Sharing of code flows in both ways for sure, but Apple takes more then gives. ... and yes, article is a shit.
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Take FreeBSD away from Apple and what did they have?
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Some lousy parts of the original Mach kernel and a some bits of Gnu and NetBSD
Addendum: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/f...st/003674.html Quote:
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Yep, Brad Davis said that "Trollaxor" also posted his rant there, but it was quickly deleted and the user banned.
When I read that at the front page of Kuro5hin I was concerned that people could believe it, but you're probably right: it's not worth wasting anybody's time in replying that pile of bullshit. As DNAeon, I also wonder whether FreeBSD does actually take any code from Darwin. As a sidenote, I don't understand why you call him a "Linux troll", as he doesn't even mention Linux. I guess I'll never understand the animosity against other projects that some zealots have. IMHO *BSD and GNU/Linux are on the same wagon, and I'm happy to use both. |
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I don't think FreeBSD does take code from Darwin, I do believe Apple wrapped the APSL licence around their contributions.. While it may be somewhat BSD-like in nature, the licence text is quite verbose and.. extensive.
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Can you explain what you mean by that? If you are referring to this Brad David then is that supposed to be an insult? Or do we have a new comer with an attitude? On your very first post you start a thread about a stupid, contentious article that has just been banned in another forum, I think there is good reason to be suspicious and whats to prevent "Trollaxor" from using a different alias like say "Quique"? Last edited by ephemera; 21st November 2008 at 02:45 PM. |
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Shouldn't it be, "Trollintosh" or something?
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One of the reasons that it took so long for FreeBSD to have journaled UFS was because of SoftUpdates, which sort of gives the effect of journaling. Thus, it wasn't really needed for some time. This article was also posted here very recently. Maybe the mailing lists are getting it, too?
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Sure: Brad Davis told me that Trollaxor had posted his rant not only on Kuro5hin, but also on the official FreeBSD forum. He decided that the story was a flamebait and the guy a troll, so he deleted the post and banned the user.
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I'm referring to Brad Davis <brd @ freebsd.org>, the fellow who posts the FreeBSD Quarterly Status Reports, who is also a member of the FreeBSD Postmaster Team, etc. Quote:
Ok, I was fool enough to bite the bait and think that the article should get a fact-based answer. My bad, but I don't think I deserve so much animosity from you |
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> Ok, I was fool enough to bite the bait and think that the article should get a fact-based answer. My bad, but I don't think I deserve so much animosity from you
Quique, I thought you were refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Davis_(actor). I did search for a Brad or Davis on forum.freebsd.org and found none ... never occured to me that it could be all initials (brd). Well, what can I say ... I completely misunderstood the whole thing. I offer my sincerest apologies. |
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