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>QNX is a Unix.
It's UNIX-like and today as much UNIX as Solaris is BSD (it was a fork in the early 80s - SunOS). >Well, that's sort of expected though. I don't think many users with Windows are looking for a UNIX like BSD or Solaris or they even know the term. But some users of this forum probably have to use Windows at work or they are using it at the laptop. I have to use Mac OS X, well so we will see sometimes Safari in the stats. I have been a member of DesktopBSD team for several years and I can tell you something: people are looking for the term Linux or desktop-os most of the time. Nobody asks about BSD, most of them even think about DesktopBSD/PC-BSD as some kind of a Linux-distro.
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Yes, I do know about that. I hold out hope, but I like it this way. The BSD community is in a way, quite conservative and fairly small, and BSD users are quite a bit more experienced in Unix than Linux users generally are.
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In all fairness, this more likely means available to Linux only without mucking around and more likely then not in the coming years to be binary only, like many drivers for Windows NT or OSX. As stupid as it is, if most of the world would make like extremely stubborn GNUs and refuse to use any non-free as in 'freedom of speech' software, the world would be a much better place because companies would have to comply or go bankrupt. Well, once society rebuilt itself from the inevitable collapse from removing most computers in the world from active service, the world would be a better place hehe lol. Quote:
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Think of what most computer users use their computers for: word processing, spreadsheet, presentations, web surfing, email, multimedia. They could care less about the underlying systems that make their modern computing possible. They could care less about the UNIX servers that allow them to download song after song and movie after movie. For the office applications, they only care about whoever they send it to being able to open it. They use their computers as a tool to work or play with and don't care how that tool is made or alternative tools. I therefore think that *BSD popularity should be measured among those who don't merely use computers as a tool for something else, but among those whose pursuit is computers. And I think that UNIX popularity among that demographic would be at least 50% - but I am no statistician.
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Dell, Gateway, HP, etc running Windows XYZ and Mac suxors. Actually find smart people and you will probably find people that understand what a punch card is, whether or not they used one. (maybe my experience is this way because I mostly deal with non tech savory bunches rather then people who could out think me any second of the minute) At the end of the day, most users just want it to freaking work without having to kick the sucker and could care less. I do agree with the rest of your post though JMJ_coder.
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>I would imagine that the vast majority of computer users think that there are three types of computers - those that run Windows, those that run Mac, those that run Linux. They are oblivious to other operating systems and probably even more oblivious to other hardware platforms than the i386 (though many Mac users will probably still be familiar with the ppc).
It depends on your surrounding environment. Of course I have something to do with beginners (DesktopBSD; teaching), but beginners who at least do know what they want. So apart from my mother I have usually nothing to do with people using their computer like some Gucci-bag. Even the Mac OS X users I work with are more scientifically orientied :-) But it doesn't matter, important is their wish for knowledge. Then you can do something more and push them to a proper direction (Linux, BSD). In the end I just care about a *free* operating system, whether it's Linux or BSD. 'Free as in BSD' is my credo and proprietary software really sucks :-)
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Just to continue my thought. I consider Unix/BSD to still be the professional's operating system while Windows is the consumer operating system. Just like on a construction site you'll find Mac trucks and big Ford's doing the heavy lifting; not the little pickups or vans.
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In general, UNIX and UNIX-like OS's are more of a server OS, while Windows is more of a desktop OS.
This doesn't mean you can't use Windows as a server, or UNIX as a desktop, but it's not what it's optimized for.
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Agreed. I'm afraid that *nix gaining desktop traction is pretty much a lost cause (even though I use it personally).
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That's stupid, UNIX isn't a single entity, a lot of Unix systems are designed for workstations... and Unix has always been and still is used on high power workstations.
If any of you have seen behind the scenes documentaries of movies, a lot of the people working on the CG effects are using Unix systems. (If you have the Transformers movie, watch disk 2.). I use OpenBSD on all my desktops, people may think it's strange.. but It's not, if anything it's improved my skills maintaining the OpenBSD servers at work. |
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If one has the money to write software for one's application of choice, sure, go for *nix. If you rely on existing applications you are not well served by *nix on the desktop unless you use only comparatively simple software that is covered by OSS. Linux does have some more sophisticated things, but the coverage is still spotty. |
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Yup, can anyone say CDE.
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I also didn't say unix os's are totally useless on the desktop, just that this is not what most unix systems are designed for.
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