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from the point of view of security what is the most secure unix os ?
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why do u think it's the most secure os ?
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Most secure for what purpose? A common operating system or less obscure? General purpose or specific?

Personal desktop.
Enterprise server.
Military/government communications.

For general purpose desktop, some might say Qubes which uses isolation built on Xen. But if Xen has a vulnerability, and it has, then your battleship could be sunk.

sel4 is mathematically verified. Some secure operating systems are being built on it. You can run the NetBSD rump kernel on sel4.

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Whonix+Qubes
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I see that as maybe a "privacy and anonymity" solution... maybe.

I have some difficulty equating anything based on Linux, VMs and tor to a "secure OS".

I see no problem at all in mentioning OpenBSD, not as the most secure OS, but certainly as a contender.
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I see no problem at all in mentioning OpenBSD, not as the most secure OS, but certainly as a contender.
https://isopenbsdsecu.re/

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Nice to have some comedy on a friday morning... you forgot "about the bsds". No troll post is complete without that.
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https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/openbsd.html?
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Those are interesting reads, thank you for the links. What I noticed is that there's a remark about OpenBSD not supporting Wayland. While it's true out of the box, if I'm not mistaken it might be possible with arcan to have such a setup. I did not use arcan-wayland on OpenBSD yet, but the development is promising and it looks to me there will be Wayland support on all the BSDs sooner or later.
And let me also add: https://why-openbsd.rocks/fact/

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Security is like a chain. The chain is as strong as the weakest link. Usually the weakest link is a human.

So you can have a super secure OS but if the users don't use their brain, things like this can happen: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/1...ticated-fraud/
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I've seen that one before as well...

Did you also read what he said about Linux and that he's a whonix contributor? Do you think that he might be biased and that he also Links to the other biased site you linked to. Both are very much agenda driven, the first is an "anonymous coward", the second is a "security researcher", who works on a project which uses VMs and Tor as a "security" solution.

HardenedBSD even gets a mention, even though it has a few features OpenBSD lacks, but in turn lacks features that OpenBSD has - but doesn't get the same destructive treatment... that's quite telling.

I've seen this kind of thing before and usually it's because there's a grudge involved, because they posted something on the OpenBSD mailing lists and got a roasting from Theo and some other developers - based on that alone, they then proceed to set up their own personal hate sites - relying on willing dupes and useful idiots re-post them at every given opportunity.
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Did you also read what he said about Linux
Do you mean https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux.html? I posted that link over at the MX Linux forums a while ago, it was fun

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Do you think that he might be biased
Isn't everyone? All of the points raised are clearly cited so I would be interested to read your repudiation of the technical issues.

My original link also has a list of citations and sources at the bottom of this page.

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HardenedBSD even gets a mention, even though it has a few features OpenBSD lacks, but in turn lacks features that OpenBSD has - but doesn't get the same destructive treatment... that's quite telling.
Perhaps they haven't got around to writing a FreeBSD/HardenedBSD page yet.

The HardenedBSD devs have a nice comparison page: https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison

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One of the "citations" was some chat on a forum posting...? Of all the citations, the only worthwhile ones are van sprundel and torvalds. The rest arent worth considering. Both sites are extremely biased deconstructions based on fallacies. I would be more interested in the repudiations of OpenBSD devs, but do you think many would be willing to waste their time on FUD sites?
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