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Old 17th February 2020
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Default CIA controlled global encryption company for decades, says report

From https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ligence-report

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The Swiss government has ordered an inquiry into a global encryption company based in Zug following revelations it was owned and controlled for decades by US and German intelligence.

Encryption weaknesses added to products sold by Crypto AG allowed the CIA and its German counterpart, the BND, to eavesdrop on adversaries and allies alike while earning million of dollars from the sales, according the Washington Post and the German public broadcaster ZDF, based on the agencies’ internal histories of the intelligence operation.
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Doesn't surprise me - you'll probably find other countries doing the same.
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And that is why the US doesn't trust the Chinese Huawei 5G equipment ;-)
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Any Dutch speakers here?

https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/nieuw...ndiensten.html
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Bruce Schneier reported on Crypto AG already in 2008. See https://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv...ckdoors_i.html
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And that is why the US doesn't trust the Chinese Huawei 5G equipment ;-)
Why US does pressure European countries to ban Huawei equipment? If both US and Chinese products are backdoored then European countries should buy cheapest option.
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Why US does pressure European countries to ban Huawei equipment? If both US and Chinese products are backdoored then European countries should buy cheapest option.
They're affected by the NIH syndrome and only trust their own backdoors. Nothing beats homebrewed solutions.
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Why US does pressure European countries to ban Huawei equipment? If both US and Chinese products are backdoored then European countries should buy cheapest option.
Nokia and Ericsson makes 5G transmitters; no need for either Chinese or US equipment.

Additionally, not all backdoors are equal. The Chinese government (and by extension, Chinese companies, since the government's influence is much stronger in China) is actively trying to steal trade secrets and the like, whereas the US efforts are mainly oriented towards prevention and tracking of crime. And the US does have a functional judicial system which adds various "checks and balances" in what it can do, even though it's clearly not perfect, it does count for something.
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And the US does have a functional judicial system which adds various "checks and balances" in what it can do, even though it's clearly not perfect, it does count for something.
Intelligence agencies have right to break law. There is one exception: they don't have right to break law in country of their origin. There are exceptions to this exception.
CIA and NSA should not break US law, but they have right to break right in UE and don't care about civil liberties of people without US citizenship. That is why people should not trust foreign intelligence agencies.
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Intelligence agencies have right to break law. There is one exception: they don't have right to break law in country of their origin. There are exceptions to this exception.
CIA and NSA should not break US law, but they have right to break right in UE and don't care about civil liberties of people without US citizenship. That is why people should not trust foreign intelligence agencies.
Trust is not binary. Certainly as an European, I'd pick the US over China without much though.

It's true that things like the US constitution doesn't apply for non-citizens outside the US (IIRC it does for foreigners inside the US, hence Guantanamo bay not being inside the US) but that's not the same as "they can and will do anything".
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Intelligence agencies have right to break law. There is one exception: they don't have right to break law in country of their origin.
The work around is for the US to outsource domestic surveillence to partnership agencies.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

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In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another's citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying.[7][8][9][10][62] Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the advocacy group Liberty, claimed that the FVEY alliance increases the ability of member states to "subcontract their dirty work" to each other.[63] The former NSA contractor Edward Snowden described the FVEY as a "supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn't answer to the laws of its own countries".[6]
As a result of Snowden's disclosures, the FVEY alliance has become the subject of a growing amount of controversy in parts of the world:
Canada: In late 2013, Canadian federal judge Richard Mosley strongly rebuked the CSIS for outsourcing its surveillance of Canadians to overseas partner agencies. A 51-page court ruling asserts that the CSIS and other Canadian federal agencies have been illegally enlisting FVEY allies in global surveillance dragnets, while keeping domestic federal courts in the dark.[64][65][66]
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