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Same with kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop. They are the meta packages that install the KDE and XFce environments used by Kubuntu and Xubuntu. |
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But what if the table breaks and you've got to fix it yourself? xD. The worlds always been this way, few wants to plant crops or hunt for food let along cook it but everyone wants to eat it. The people that actually do, if they go extinct and there is noone who knows how this worlds gonna be in a bad way. It's very easy for someone to just chuck it off on someone else but someday it will catch up to people. I remember, I was once looking for a (portable) library to provide an implementation of FTP and an API for usage in a small project. Off Google I found a thread where someone asked how to do something similar to what I was needing, through Java's out of box stock of things. Someone told the lad to go implement FTP himself and learn how to do it instead of ask to be told how. I thought it was a rather strange thing to do, after all who wants to write an implementation of the FTP protocol for a small project if you don't have to. The old mans reply to the thread followed the format of: Because, if no one in this world ever implements the FTP Protocol the knowledge of how will pass away. I'd hate to write an FTP lib but I think that googled thread and the old programmer has a good point. Some day, we will all sit and wonder, how the heck did our great, great, grand-programmers do it. Because we also forgot how to write emulators because we always pawned off the task on someone else who knew better. And because no body left alive wanted to learn about how application binary interfaces work, that ideas out of the question too. And what on earth is ANSI C? It's the year 2262 and Python is the oldest language still in use, and almost no body remembers how to use it because it is so hard to code in. So how do I get my music off this server? Moving parts in data storage are so 2160s 8=) it ain't going to fit in my Neo-Dell , unless maybe I jam it in the porti-crystal slot? -> the past can come back to byte the future in the tush if the present generation is not careful.
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As you may already know, BSD is a smaller community than Linux, there are less people to help "new users"... and that BSD frequently gets new users from Linux these days, instead of someone who have only used Windows for their entire life, the general expectation from a new BSD user is just so much different than a new Linux user.
For BSD to be more "new user" friendly there need to be bigger community so that there are people to help "new users"; but you need new users to grow the community!! It is a catch 22 isn't it? But not every BSD users/developers are aiming for userbase or "n00b friendliness", from what I have seen OpenBSD are generally not as patient as other BSD's when it comes to "n00b".
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The whole face of Open Source is changing. Linux used to be geek only. Shucks, Windows used to be for the geekier, the others using Mac.
Then, Linux became easier to use and rather than put aside a weekend to install it, I start it just before going downstairs to buy catfood. The mailing lists and forums gradually change too. Even the more elite lists become kinder and gentler, and if not answering the real basic questions, more gently suggesting they google. More people discover opensource, the developers make easier to use open source programs and more newcomers come in, till even the more elite O/S's start getting the cn ne1 hlp me plz? (To which the answer is, Well, {Linux|BSD} is case sensitive, so first, you better fix the shift key on your keyboard. ) It's almost a natural evolution, I guess. Much of it is due to the increased ease of use of all systems. |
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i've been wondering if a new file in /port/ (each) putting forth a detailed, sometimes-multi-page howto would attract millions as they migrate from pay-for OS's ................... I put a post to that effect in the freebsd-ports@ list a few weeks ago .................
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From my experience when I asked a question in a linux forum I was answered by:
- people who had not read my question. (it is stupid that I have to repeat in the second post what I wrote in the first one...) - people that did not know the answer (but for a reason I have not yet understood they reply anyway) - people who reply with a tone that underline that they are better than you because they know that little thing and you don't. maybe they are friendly, but they are sucking also. It could be only a problem of mine, but if it is so, why here and on bsdforums I have been always answered correctly and professionally? |
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I suppose it depends upon the forum. I have good things to say about all the forums where I have been a member. (Though I hear that some of them have gone downhill, the two where I am still active, CentOS and Fedora, aren't like that in my experience.)
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Reading such nonsense again and again, sometimes I wonder which community really sucks. I really do like a nice flameware but it's a flamewar about the operating system of choice, it's not a flamewar about human beings.
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The Linux community is largely fractured because of the various distributions. However, let's consider the major distributions and their communities: Slackware, Gentoo, Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, Open/SuSE, Mandriva, and Arch. Out of these, you can expect the behavior that you encountered from the Open/SuSE, Mandriva, Ubuntu (oviously), and possibly the Gentoo communities. I included Gentoo because it has just as many uninformed users as the easier distributions do. You can get sound advice that would please all the informed Unix users from the Slackware, Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS, Debian, and Arch communities because those distributions do not focus on ease-of-use. They focus on functionality and simplicity, although I know Debian has made things quite easy. I've noticed that you'll find the most competent Linux users are Slackware users, and that makes sense, since Slackware is such a hands-on distribution. I know lumping Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS is kind of touchy, but you can do a vanilla install, and then add things as you would on other power-distributions. And, yum and rpm don't make things easier. I like yum, and it beats any of the GUI frontends that are available for Fedora in terms of management.
You notice this kind of behavior because Linux has become sort of a fad, these days because of distributions like Ubuntu, which have slowly turned away from Unix philosophy. There's no point to making everything monolithic, to having your standard installation include a GUI. That's why, with the exception of a few Linux distributions, namely Debian, Slackware, and Arch, I think only BSD and other Unices can keep Unix alive as it is meant to be. Otherwise, the rest of the distributions seem to be fighting a competition with Windows...competition for what, to become as similar as possible to Windows but keeping the same guts.
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One *good* thing IMHO that is coming out of the surge in
Linux (I use Ubuntu-Hardy-64) is that more hardware support coming from the vendors.. and yes.. I know many folks have issues with the Binary Blobs as Theo has labeled them.. While the term more and support are definitely debatable, progress is progress.. my .02 rk
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I'm not above throwing X11 and XFCE on a server - there are just some admin tasks that can be done more efficiently with a few open xterms, a couple basic editors and a mouse. Once the work is done, back to the CLI and the server is none the worse for wear.
Honestly, in the world of quad core and gigs of RAM, the GUI is barely going to make a dent in the resources. I've deployed a fleet of linux-based thin clients (debian/xfce) on hardware as lowly as P200 / 64MB RAM and although boot time is lengthy, they do the job nearly on par with the newer hardware. |
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fbsduser, this thread is over two years old. You are the first to respond to it in the intervening time. Why, is not entirely clear.
As most forum threads are quite timely & have very short shelf lives, most would consider any thread over a few weeks old to be dead. If you feel you have relevant information which needs to be shared on a *BSD site about Linux, please start a new thread. There are other non-BSD subforae which are probably more appropriate for Linux discussions than the "Off Topic" subforum. |
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