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Old 29th December 2017
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Hello Laptop Users

I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.

I just thought it would make life easier to get system recommendations from those running FreeBSD or TrueOS on this already. I will likely search Ebay for my final choice.

Thanks!
-Ben
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Judging from some things on FreeBSD forums, I'm not sure that dual card laptops work that well withTrueOS (or any of the BSDs), but am not sure. I see someone was having problems with CURRENT, which is what TrueOS uses as a base if i'm right.

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/63866/

General thoughts. Both Free and OpenBSD are usually behind Linux in hardware support. While a wireless card will probably work, it often won't have the speeds that are gotten with Linux--for example, the iwm driver doesn't do 802.11.ac In practice, I've found this means that a local LAN transfer might be 20-50MB in Linux, on occasion, 11-12 MB in CURRENT (but rarely) and generaly, in Free and OpenBSD about 2-3MB.

This TrueOS posting from last year might be useful.

https://discourse.trueos.org/t/good-...sd-11-0/255/21
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There is a current and lengthy thread on the FreeBSD forums about running TrueOS on a laptop
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/63746/
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Judging from some things on FreeBSD forums, I'm not sure that dual card laptops work that well withTrueOS (or any of the BSDs), but am not sure. I see someone was having problems with CURRENT, which is what TrueOS uses as a base if i'm right.
What did you mean by: "dual card"

The forums all seem to be discussing IF one should use FreeBSD (or variant) on a Laptop.

Since I have already done it and already decided I will do it again. I just want to know what hardware any of you recommend?

What are you using in your laptop running FreeBSD or TrueOS?

Thanks!!
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I'm sorry, dual card refers to laptops that have both an integrated Intel card and a separate NVida card. I think it's more of a gaming thing. (Not a gamer so not that sure).
On my one laptop with a Haswell card, I'm using FreeBSD-CURRENT.. I think that TrueOS may have trouble multibooting if you're not using UEFI, which I don't use.

My newer laptop--I say newer but it's from 2013, is a yoga2 with a Haswell ULT video and an Intel 7260 dual band wireless card. Video works with the drm-next-kmod port. Wireless works with the iwm driver, but only gets speeds of 2-3MB over the LAN, though on RARE occasion, it's gone up to 10-11MB.
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Since I have already done it and already decided I will do it again. I just want to know what hardware any of you recommend?
The zfs file system has the ability to mirror/snapshot your data on the fly. If you have a large amount of data, this can take significant RAM, CPU and hard drive R/W. ECC memory is a plus but not generally available on laptops. IMHO, the zfs file system is more appropriate for servers, not laptops.

FreeBSD has a web page on supported NVidia, Intel and AMD/Radeon graphics.

Also be aware that Lenovo and HP have some hard ware restrictions in their bios that impacts the ability to swap out the wireless card - not sure if this impacts CD -> HD.
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Hello Laptop Users

I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.

I just thought it would make life easier to get system recommendations from those running FreeBSD or TrueOS on this already. I will likely search Ebay for my final choice.

Thanks!
-Ben
ThinkPads T420s/T520/W520/W530/T430/T530 work without any issues, with 11.1-RELEASE.

ThinkPad T460/T470/... work with 12-CURRENT and DRM-NEXT.
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Vermaden,

Thanks for answering my thread question with a direct and to the subject answer list of one or more laptops you recommend.

I got a TP W530 on Ebay and it works Great so far with TrueOS.

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LENOVO THINKPAD W530
PROCESSOR = Intel Core i7-3740QM 2.7Ghz (Turbo to 3.7Ghz)
RAM = 8GB DDR3 MEMORY
DISC DRIVE = DVD-R (SERIAL ULTRABAY ENHANCED)
OPERATING SYSTEM = NO OS INSTALLED
GRAPHICS = NVIDIA Quadro K1000M (2GB GDDR3) / Intel HD Graphics 4000
DISPLAY = 15.6" (1920x1080)
The unit came with No HDD. I purchased 2, new, (~$50ea)
> HGST 1TB 32MB Cache 7200RPM SATA III (6.0Gb/s) 2.5" PS3&4 Hard Drv
and a HDD Caddy for the UltraBay

I installed the 2 drives and then installed TrueOS w/zMirror

I had an issue with the latest iso because it had issues with the NVIDIA card so I used and older version and installed: TrueOS-Desktop-2016-12-27-x64-DVD.iso Then let it upgrade to the latest version. ( I later learned I should disable the nVidia for the install)

WiFi is working fine.

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I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.
I know you already made a purchase, but in the interest of posterity...

I have 2 Thinkpad T61 running FreeBSD with the dreaded Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M GPU, known for overheating if made after 2008. Mine weren't and perform fine with the nvidia-driver-304 port.

One has an Intel Core2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.0GHz and the other a T7700 @ 2.4 GHz. Each have 4GB RAM but supposedly upgradable to 8GB RAM. They come with a DVD burner in an UltraBay and can be swapped out for another HDD.

If you know what to look for as far as signs of heavy use and are looking at the right time some sweet deals can be had on ebay. Lease returns are a crap shoot and it's the luck of the draw which one they pick out. Look for sellers with high rep, what seems like a good deal might be best passed on for something a few $$$ more from a more reputable seller.

Single owners you should be able to know about what you're getting and can query them about it.

I paid a little over $50 for the T61 I'm on now and prefer to use it over my more powerful W520 OpenBSD machine, which has Nvidia Optimus and worked out-of-the-box with OpenBSD..
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I recently purchased a Dell Latitude E6420 from Dell Refurbished for $229.00; after tax and shipping it was $273.87.

Quad core i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz
Nvidia NVS 4200M
4GB DDR3 1333MHz expandable to 8GB (upgrading soon).
140GB 7200RPM HD (upgrading soon).

It was listed as Cosmetic Grade B but it almost looks and feels like new. This thing was built like a tank which is perfect for my application - rather than carrying it around as a portable computer, I need a small, self-contained server.

I am trying the 390.48 driver from Nvidia's site and I am building a custom releng/11.1 system with 2018Q1 ports all from source. If that goes well (so far so good), after the hardware upgrades I will build it again then this machine will spend most of the rest of its life on a shelf.

Side note: # make -j8 buildworld on this thing was very impressive! I started building FreeBSD from source during the 2002-2003 era, probably on a single-core Pentium II or some other similar thing maybe running at a couple of hundred MHz. Back then, builds would take all night - like start it in the evening and it is still running in the morning. I didn't time this relatively modern machine but it seems like it finished in less than an hour. It finished so quickly that I spent a few moments looking for a failure.

Anyway, I am very impressed with this Dell machine and Dell Refurbished. I am not certain that my experience would be repeatable, I might have just gotten very lucky, but I might test that and buy another refurbished machine from them. Gee, I sound like a shill. I assure you, dear reader, that is not the case. As an engineer, I am just very pleased with the design and construction of this Latitude E6420. My other laptop, a Toshiba Satellite C855D, is a miserable little train-wreck of a computer. It seems like such a tragedy sometimes that resources were invested into manufacturing and distributing something that was so poorly designed.

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Copyright (c) 1992-2017 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE #0 r321309: Fri Jul 21 02:08:28 UTC 2017
    root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64
FreeBSD clang version 4.0.0 (tags/RELEASE_400/final 297347) (based on LLVM 4.0.0)
VT(vga): resolution 640x480
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz (2394.61-MHz K8-class CPU)
  Origin="GenuineIntel"  Id=0x206a7  Family=0x6  Model=0x2a  Stepping=7
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  AMD Features=0x28100800<SYSCALL,NX,RDTSCP,LM>
  AMD Features2=0x1<LAHF>
  XSAVE Features=0x1<XSAVEOPT>
  VT-x: PAT,HLT,MTF,PAUSE,EPT,UG,VPID
  TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics
real memory  = 4294967296 (4096 MB)
avail memory = 4054216704 (3866 MB)
Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600
ACPI APIC Table: <DELL   CBX3   >
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 8 CPUs
FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s) x 2 hardware threads
random: unblocking device.
ioapic0 <Version 2.0> irqs 0-23 on motherboard
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #6 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #4 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #7 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched!
SMP: AP CPU #5 Launched!
Timecounter "TSC-low" frequency 1197305600 Hz quality 1000
random: entropy device external interface
kbd1 at kbdmux0
netmap: loaded module
module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff80f5b220, 0) error 19
nexus0
vtvga0: <VT VGA driver> on motherboard
cryptosoft0: <software crypto> on motherboard
acpi0: <DELL CBX3   > on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
hpet0: <High Precision Event Timer> iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0
Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950
Event timer "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 550
cpu0: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu1: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu2: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu3: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu4: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu5: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu6: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
cpu7: <ACPI CPU> on acpi0
atrtc0: <AT realtime clock> port 0x70-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0
atrtc0: Warning: Couldn't map I/O.
Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0
attimer0: <AT timer> port 0x40-0x43,0x50-0x53 irq 0 on acpi0
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100
Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900
acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0
acpi_ec0: <Embedded Controller: GPE 0x10> port 0x930,0x934 on acpi0
pcib0: <ACPI Host-PCI bridge> port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pcib0: _OSC returned error 0x4
pci0: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib0
pcib1: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib1
vgapci0: <VGA-compatible display> port 0x4000-0x407f mem 0xe4000000-0xe4ffffff,0xd0000000-0xdfffffff,0xe0000000-0xe1ffffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1
vgapci0: Boot video device
hdac0: <NVIDIA GF119 HDA Controller> mem 0xe5080000-0xe5083fff irq 17 at device 0.1 on pci1
pci0: <simple comms> at device 22.0 (no driver attached)
uart2: <Intel AMT - KT Controller> port 0x50a0-0x50a7 mem 0xe6790000-0xe6790fff irq 17 at device 22.3 on pci0
em0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.6.1-k> port 0x5040-0x505f mem 0xe6700000-0xe671ffff,0xe6780000-0xe6780fff irq 20 at device 25.0 on pci0
em0: Using an MSI interrupt
em0: Ethernet address: d4:be:d9:1f:1c:8d
em0: netmap queues/slots: TX 1/1024, RX 1/1024
ehci0: <Intel Cougar Point USB 2.0 controller> mem 0xe6770000-0xe67703ff irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0
usbus0: EHCI version 1.0
usbus0 on ehci0
usbus0: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0
hdac1: <Intel Cougar Point HDA Controller> mem 0xe6760000-0xe6763fff irq 22 at device 27.0 on pci0
pcib2: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 16 at device 28.0 on pci0
pci2: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib2
pcib3: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 17 at device 28.1 on pci0
pci3: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib3
iwn0: <Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300> mem 0xe6600000-0xe6601fff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3
pcib4: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 18 at device 28.2 on pci0
pcib4: [GIANT-LOCKED]
pcib5: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 19 at device 28.3 on pci0
pcib5: [GIANT-LOCKED]
pcib6: <ACPI PCI-PCI bridge> irq 17 at device 28.5 on pci0
pci4: <ACPI PCI bus> on pcib6
sdhci_pci0: <Generic SD HCI> mem 0xe6520000-0xe65201ff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci4
sdhci_pci0: 1 slot(s) allocated
pci4: <mass storage> at device 0.1 (no driver attached)
ehci1: <Intel Cougar Point USB 2.0 controller> mem 0xe6750000-0xe67503ff irq 17 at device 29.0 on pci0
usbus1: EHCI version 1.0
usbus1 on ehci1
usbus1: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0
isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
ahci0: <Intel Cougar Point AHCI SATA controller> port 0x5090-0x5097,0x5080-0x5083,0x5070-0x5077,0x5060-0x5063,0x5020-0x503f mem 0xe6740000-0xe67407ff irq 18 at device 31.2 on pci0
ahci0: AHCI v1.30 with 6 6Gbps ports, Port Multiplier not supported
ahcich0: <AHCI channel> at channel 0 on ahci0
ahcich1: <AHCI channel> at channel 1 on ahci0
ahcich3: <AHCI channel> at channel 3 on ahci0
ahcich4: <AHCI channel> at channel 4 on ahci0
ahcich5: <AHCI channel> at channel 5 on ahci0
ahciem0: <AHCI enclosure management bridge> on ahci0
acpi_lid0: <Control Method Lid Switch> on acpi0
acpi_button0: <Power Button> on acpi0
acpi_button1: <Sleep Button> on acpi0
acpi_acad0: <AC Adapter> on acpi0
battery0: <ACPI Control Method Battery> on acpi0
battery1: <ACPI Control Method Battery> on acpi0
battery2: <ACPI Control Method Battery> on acpi0
acpi_tz0: <Thermal Zone> on acpi0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
ppc1: cannot reserve I/O port range
psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
orm0: <ISA Option ROM> at iomem 0xc0000-0xce7ff on isa0
ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range
est0: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu0
est1: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu1
est2: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu2
est3: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu3
est4: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu4
est5: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu5
est6: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu6
est7: <Enhanced SpeedStep Frequency Control> on cpu7
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
nvme cam probe device init
ugen0.1: <Intel EHCI root HUB> at usbus0
hdacc0: <NVIDIA (0x001c) HDA CODEC> at cad 0 on hdac0
hdaa0: <NVIDIA (0x001c) Audio Function Group> at nid 1 on hdacc0
pcm0: <NVIDIA (0x001c) (HDMI/DP 8ch)> at nid 5 on hdaa0
pcm1: <NVIDIA (0x001c) (HDMI/DP 8ch)> at nid 6 on hdaa0
hdacc1: <IDT 92HD90BXX HDA CODEC> at cad 0 on hdac1
hdaa1: <IDT 92HD90BXX Audio Function Group> at nid 1 on hdacc1
pcm2: <IDT 92HD90BXX (Analog 2.0+HP/2.0)> at nid 13,11 and 10,15 on hdaa1
pcm3: <IDT 92HD90BXX (Analog)> at nid 14 and 17 on hdaa1
uhub0: <Intel EHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0
ugen1.1: <Intel EHCI root HUB> at usbus1
uhub1: <Intel EHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus1
ses0 at ahciem0 bus 0 scbus5 target 0 lun 0
cd0 at ahcich1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0
ses0: <AHCI SGPIO Enclosure 1.00 0001> SEMB S-E-S 2.00 device
cd0: ses0: SEMB SES Device
<TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-U633J D800> Removable CD-ROM SCSI device
ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0
cd0: Serial Number R7216GVC101QJE
cd0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA 1.x, UDMA5, ATAPI 12bytes, ada0: <WDC WD1600BEKT-66F3T2 13.01A13> ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device
ada0: Serial Number WD-WXM1A50Y8124
ada0: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes)
ada0: Command Queueing enabled
ada0: 152627MB (312581808 512 byte sectors)
PIO 8192bytes)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present - tray closed
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0p2 [rw]...
uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered
uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered
ugen0.2: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x0024> at usbus0
uhub2 on uhub0
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ugen1.2: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x0024> at usbus1
uhub3 on uhub1
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uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered
uhub3: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
ugen0.3: <Dell Computer Corp DW375 Bluetooth Module> at usbus0
ugen1.3: <PixArt USB Optical Mouse> at usbus1
ugen0.4: <CN0CJ3P272487221AJWHA01 LaptopIntegratedWebcamFHD> at usbus0
ubt0 on uhub2
ubt0: <Dell Computer Corp DW375 Bluetooth Module, class 224/1, rev 2.00/5.17, addr 3> on usbus0
ugen1.4: <Broadcom Corp 5880> at usbus1
ums0 on uhub3
ums0: <PixArt USB Optical Mouse, class 0/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 3> on usbus1
ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0
WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize()
WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize()
em0: link state changed to UP
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