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Old 20th June 2011
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The installer defaults to using HTTP anyway, IMHO it's more reliable to use an HTTP mirror.
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I believe I did put the entire URL. I sure did learn a valuable lesson.

Well, thank you all for the great insight. It has been a really great learning experience. I now have my SS5 running BSD 4.9.

Would it be to much to ask if you can share a copy of your pf.conf?


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Thanks, jggimi
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I was typing in ftp//ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.9/sparc and the install wizard would go to: ftp://ftp5.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.9/sparc


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You need Sparc64! (Sparc is for older Sun machines)
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You need Sparc64! (Sparc is for older Sun machines)
SparcStation5 is an older Sun machine.
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Would it be to much to ask if you can share a copy of your pf.conf?
Most people will tune their pf.conf(5) settings specifically to their network. How anyone configures pf(4) for their needs isn't likely to be that useful to you & your network (...just like you don't want to use anyone else's toothbrush...). You will get more out of the experience by studying the PF User's Guide yourself.
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SparcStation5 is an older Sun machine.
He needs Sparc64! Anything made by Sun is old. Sparc port is for machines from late 80s. Check the OpenBSD web-site and supported platforms which is currently down

http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html

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He needs Sparc64! Anything made by Sun is old. Sparc port is for machines from late 80s. Check the OpenBSD web-site and supported platforms which is currently down

http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html
http://openbsd.org/sparc.html Ctrl-F + "SparcStation" gets hits here.

http://openbsd.org/sparc64.html Ctrl-F + "SparcStation" gets no hits here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation_5 claims it's based on sun4m, and runs OpenBSD/sparc.

I own an Ultra5 (which is definitely sparc64), but I don't own a SparcStation5 so I can't give you a dmesg from a SparcStation5...but all indicators seem to point to sparc and not sparc64.
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I own an Ultra5 (which is definitely sparc64), but I don't own a SparcStation5 so I can't give you a dmesg from a SparcStation5...but all indicators seem to point to sparc and not sparc64.
Ok! I think I am wrong. I thought he had Ultra5 which I also have. SparcStation5 is definitely older and needs Sparc
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Thank you ocicat!

I'll follow your advice and study this guide. Can I consider OpenBSD an enterprise grade OS? Can a hacker break into an OSBSD box?

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Can I consider OpenBSD an enterprise grade OS? Can a hacker break into an OSBSD box?
Did you miss this entirely?
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I believe the SPARCstation5 in not 64Bit but the ULTRA1 is. Here is my dmesg:


Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus syslogd: start
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC) #91: Thu Mar 3 00:31:21 MST 2011
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: deraadt@sparc.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: real mem = 268111872 (255MB)
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: avail mem = 259002368 (247MB)
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: mainbus0 at root: SUNW,SPARCstation-5
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: cpu0 at mainbus0: MB86904 @ 110 MHz, on-chip FPU
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: cpu0: 16K instruction (32 b/l), 8K data (16 b/l) cache enabled
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: obio0 at mainbus0
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: clock0 at obio0 addr 0x71200000: mk48t08 (eeprom)
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: timer0 at obio0 addr 0x71d00000 delay constant 52
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: zs0 at obio0 addr 0x71100000 pri 12, softpri 6
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: zstty0 at zs0 channel 0
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: zstty1 at zs0 channel 1
Jun 20 12:25:46 Cerberus /bsd: zs1 at obio0 addr 0x71000000 pri 12, softpri 6
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: zskbd0 at zs1 channel 0: keyboard, type 5, layout 0x22
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: wskbd0 at zskbd0: console keyboard
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: zsms0 at zs1 channel 1
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: wsmouse0 at zsms0 mux 0
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: slavioconfig at obio0 addr 0x71800000 not configured
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: auxreg0 at obio0 addr 0x71900000
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: power0 at obio0 addr 0x71910000
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: fdc0 at obio0 addr 0x71400000 pri 11, softpri 4: chip 82077
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: iommu0 at mainbus0 addr 0x10000000: version 0x4/0x0, page-size 4096, range 64MB
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: sbus0 at iommu0: 22 MHz
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: dma0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0x8400000: rev 2
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: esp0 at dma0 offset 0x8800000 pri 4: ESP200, 40MHz
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: scsibus0 at esp0: 8 targets, initiator 7
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <SEAGATE, ST318406LC, 010A> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: sd0: 17501MB, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: sd1 at scsibus0 targ 3 lun 0: <SEAGATE, ST318406LC, 010A> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: sd1: 17501MB, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: cd0 at scsibus0 targ 6 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, XM-4101TASUNSLCD, 1755> SCSI2 5/cdrom removable
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: bpp0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0xc800000: DMA2
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: ledma0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0x8400010: rev 2
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: le0 at ledma0 offset 0x8c00000 pri 6: address 08:00:20:7b:e3:db
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: le0: 16 receive buffers, 4 transmit buffers
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: audiocs0 at sbus0 slot 4 offset 0xc000000 pri 9
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: audio0 at audiocs0
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: "power-management" at sbus0 slot 4 offset 0xa000000 not configured
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: le1 at sbus0 slot 2 offset 0xc00000 pri 7: address 08:00:20:7b:e3:db
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: le1: 16 receive buffers, 4 transmit buffers
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: cgsix0 at sbus0 slot 3 offset 0x0 pri 9: SUNW,501-2325, 1152x900, rev 11
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: wsdisplay0 at cgsix0 mux 1: console (std, sun emulation), using wskbd0
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: vscsi0 at root
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: softraid0 at root
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: bootpath: /iommu@0,10000000/sbus@0,10001000/espdma@5,8400000/esp@5,8800000/sd@1,0
Jun 20 12:25:47 Cerberus /bsd: root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
Jun 20 12:26:38 Cerberus /bsd: arp: attempt to add entry for 192.168.1.9 on le0 by 00:1e:c9:3f:8c:f5 on le1
Jun 20 12:30:56 Cerberus savecore: no core dump
Jun 20 13:24:25 Cerberus reboot: rebooted by rfm
Jun 20 13:24:26 Cerberus syslogd: exiting on signal 15
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus syslogd: start
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC) #91: Thu Mar 3 00:31:21 MST 2011
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: deraadt@sparc.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/GENERIC
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: real mem = 268111872 (255MB)
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: avail mem = 259002368 (247MB)
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: mainbus0 at root: SUNW,SPARCstation-5
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: cpu0 at mainbus0: MB86904 @ 110 MHz, on-chip FPU
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: cpu0: 16K instruction (32 b/l), 8K data (16 b/l) cache enabled
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: obio0 at mainbus0
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: clock0 at obio0 addr 0x71200000: mk48t08 (eeprom)
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: timer0 at obio0 addr 0x71d00000 delay constant 52
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zs0 at obio0 addr 0x71100000 pri 12, softpri 6
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zstty0 at zs0 channel 0
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zstty1 at zs0 channel 1
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zs1 at obio0 addr 0x71000000 pri 12, softpri 6
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zskbd0 at zs1 channel 0: keyboard, type 5, layout 0x22
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: wskbd0 at zskbd0: console keyboard
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: zsms0 at zs1 channel 1
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: wsmouse0 at zsms0 mux 0
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: slavioconfig at obio0 addr 0x71800000 not configured
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: auxreg0 at obio0 addr 0x71900000
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: power0 at obio0 addr 0x71910000
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: fdc0 at obio0 addr 0x71400000 pri 11, softpri 4: chip 82077
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: iommu0 at mainbus0 addr 0x10000000: version 0x4/0x0, page-size 4096, range 64MB
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: sbus0 at iommu0: 22 MHz
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: dma0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0x8400000: rev 2
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: esp0 at dma0 offset 0x8800000 pri 4: ESP200, 40MHz
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: scsibus0 at esp0: 8 targets, initiator 7
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: sd0 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <SEAGATE, ST318406LC, 010A> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: sd0: 17501MB, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: sd1 at scsibus0 targ 3 lun 0: <SEAGATE, ST318406LC, 010A> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: sd1: 17501MB, 512 bytes/sec, 35843670 sec total
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: cd0 at scsibus0 targ 6 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, XM-4101TASUNSLCD, 1755> SCSI2 5/cdrom removable
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: bpp0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0xc800000: DMA2
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: ledma0 at sbus0 slot 5 offset 0x8400010: rev 2
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: le0 at ledma0 offset 0x8c00000 pri 6: address 08:00:20:7b:e3:db
Jun 20 13:25:17 Cerberus /bsd: le0: 16 receive buffers, 4 transmit buffers
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: audiocs0 at sbus0 slot 4 offset 0xc000000 pri 9
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: audio0 at audiocs0
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: "power-management" at sbus0 slot 4 offset 0xa000000 not configured
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: le1 at sbus0 slot 2 offset 0xc00000 pri 7: address 08:00:20:7b:e3:db
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: le1: 16 receive buffers, 4 transmit buffers
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: cgsix0 at sbus0 slot 3 offset 0x0 pri 9: SUNW,501-2325, 1152x900, rev 11
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: wsdisplay0 at cgsix0 mux 1: console (std, sun emulation), using wskbd0
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: vscsi0 at root
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: scsibus1 at vscsi0: 256 targets
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: softraid0 at root
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: bootpath: /iommu@0,10000000/sbus@0,10001000/espdma@5,8400000/esp@5,8800000/sd@1,0
Jun 20 13:25:18 Cerberus /bsd: root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b
Jun 20 13:25:19 Cerberus savecore: no core dump
Jun 20 13:27:14 Cerberus /bsd: arp: attempt to add entry for 192.168.1.5 on le0 by 00:1e:c9:3f:8c:f5 on le1
Jun 20 14:00:02 Cerberus syslogd: restart
Jun 20 19:31:09 Cerberus /bsd: arp: attempt to add entry for 192.168.1.7 on le0 by 00:25:9c:9e:33:93 on le1
Jun 21 02:00:02 Cerberus syslogd: restart

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Default I can tell you for sure that Sparcstation 5 is 32-bit

As a Sparcstation 20 owner and user with OpenBSD and other OSes, I can confirm that the Sparcstation 5 is a 32-bit system.

OpenBSD runs great on it, but you will not be able to run any "modern" web browser aside from Lynx in the console.

There is a whole lot more flexibility in sparc64 in OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris.

Running Solaris 9, I managed to get Firefox running, but there basically are no browsers in packages for recent releases of OpenBSD.

Way back, you could run Dillo in OpenBSD for Sparc 32-bit, but that is no longer an option.

The selection of packages for 32-bit Sparc in OpenBSD gets smaller all the time, especially desktop packages. I suppose that reflects the platform's continual aging.

Based solely on my own experience, if a binary package exists for Sparc 32-bit in OpenBSD, it stands a very good chance of running. Not so much in NetBSD.

But if there's no binary package for a particular app in OpenBSD's 32-bit Sparc repository, chances are it won't build from the port (otherwise it would be a binary package already).

One thing about OpenBSD for 32-bit Sparc. The base system runs extremely well and is extraordinarily stable. Makes a great box for all the usual OpenBSD tasks, and you can use it as a desktop if you're determined and won't miss a traditional GUI web browser.
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Thanks for the great info. I have resign my self to forget about running a modern
browser on my Sun equipment and OpenBSD. Hopefully the BSD developers will incorporate as modern browser on OpenBSD 5 otherwise I'll have to build a workstation so that I can run several OSs on it and run a modern browser. The only problem there is it cost too darn much at this time. So i will dream about for now.

Are you familiar with any old Sun workstations which could run several OSs that are not so expensive?

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OpenBSD supports several browsers, however for various reasons some may only run on a specific architecture.. usually it's a portability issue, not always, often programmers make assumptions about the platform their software runs on and it's hard to fix later.

There are ports for Firefox 3.5/3.6 and 4.0(..5.0 in -current now), the older 3.5/3.6 don't explicitly disable building on 32-bit SPARC however it may not compile and run for various reasons.. portability and/or other constraints.

Google's open source Chrome counterpart (..chromium) is now available and maintained, it uses the WebKit layout engine and related libraries.. again it may or may not work on SPARC but it is available for other OpenBSD platforms.

Other browsers in the ports tree exist utilizing WebKit, Geocko or even something entirely new.. netsurf and dillo would be examples of independent browser implementations.

The problem isn't with OpenBSD lacking browsers, there are plenty, but perhaps not on the SPARC.
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Greetings,

Read you loud and clear.

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OpenBSD supports several browsers, however for various reasons some may only run on a specific architecture.. usually it's a portability issue, not always, often programmers make assumptions about the platform their software runs on and it's hard to fix later.

There are ports for Firefox 3.5/3.6 and 4.0(..5.0 in -current now), the older 3.5/3.6 don't explicitly disable building on 32-bit SPARC however it may not compile and run for various reasons.. portability and/or other constraints.
Firefox has dropped Sparc64 from version 4.0 so there is no more Firefox for Sparc64 (please refer to ports@openbsd). I am not sure if the WebKit is compiling but Konqueror might be the only full blown browser available on Sparc64 these days. NetSurf (still not updated to 2.7 even though the patch has been submitted) is probably the best choice for daily surfing as long as one doesn't need JavaScript
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I'm aware that it doesn't compile on sparc64, but it's a different architecture, if anything there may not exist a 32-bit sparc with enough memory to build Firefox or Chromium.
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