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I agree with coppermine here to a point. I hear people talking about using *BSD as a desktop or worse yet even advocating it for everyone and I just shake my head. I am a FBSD junkie. I just at some point have to say this is not what this product does best. For servers, IMHO there is nothing better. I run all my web stuff and backend on either FBSD or OBSD. For my desktop, I agree with ninjatux, I use a macbook pro. When I am using a workstation I just want things to work and work well. To me, it's just a matter of using the right product for the right job. <flame suit on>
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I'll add a third voice to that. what's happening here is we are getting a lot of folks from the Linux camp who just barely discovered Linux coming to *BSD thinking it's just another OS that wants to be all things to all people. IMHO it isn't . It's a server OS and a damn good one, in fact in my opinion the best you can get without getting proprietory. It's not intended to be a desktop OS although some people so a pretty good job of making it one just like some people make Windows an OK server OS
Personally, I don't have one *BSD box that has X even loaded. I don't care about flash or Open Source graphics drivers. I care about whether my web site will scale to 100 million hits per month or that I don't need to reboot to install most anything other than kernel updates. I care that I won't be hacked every 5 minutes because there is a billion lines of code in the OS that no one knows what they do. People coming here from Linux should understand that some of us think of Linux as they think of Windows. Every time I load Linux and open top I am reminded how bloated and complex it has become. *BSD is simple, small, and elegant. With regard to the virtualization, that is one feature I sorely need. ESXi does not run on a lot of hardware - NEW hardware. I just built a dual quad core server that will not run ESXi so I have no choice but to run Vnware server on Linux. I'm not happy about it, but it's the best I can do at the moment. -Tim |
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Until then, I will stick on the FreeBSD as a desktop (and suck it up eventually), anyways I found working with FreeBSD very pleasing. The flash player issue is the major missing thing that stops FreeBSD from growing it's popularity on the desktop market, that's why there are thousands posts worldwide on every forum, plus this one. If I had strong knowledge of C,C++ or whatever needed language, I could put my effort on this. Now the only thing I can do is to donate a few bucks for this purpose. I have to say that sharing some times your opinions about some obvious issues - IMHO - Ι don't think it is that harmful. Anyways, I am not intending to touch this subject again. Last edited by harisman; 23rd August 2008 at 09:14 AM. Reason: Corrections.. |
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You just need box with CPU that supports SSE3, You may check that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...icroprocessors Just check here hour hardware here: http://osx86project.org ... and get ISO image here: http://torrents.to
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What about FreeBSD reinstallations. I have made reinstalls only in the beginning when I didn't know how to fix on or other broken feature made by me. Currently I have several server and router installations and I didn't have single case when I should reinstall all from scratch. I have found FreeBSD to be easy to manage and understand in most aspects. This feeling is getting stronger as the years of experience passes. |
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I would be careful what you advocate.. or at least put a little disclaimer at the bottom of your posts. |
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Would you say that PC-BSD makes a good desktop? Would you say the same for OpenSolaris (assuming it's in a usable state)? Quote:
Virtualzation is coming according to the mailing lists. First DomU will be completed eventually leading to Dom0 support for Xen. There is discussion of having the FreeBSD Foundation fund the VirtualBox developer team to have it ported over. Quote:
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I never care about ANY EULA.
Also there was similar case in history, when IBM wanted DOS to be used only on their hardware in EULA, and they fail at the court and have to allow use of it on ANY computer. Similar case has recently started between Psystar and Mac OS X. Quote:
About drivers, you forgot that Mac OS X uses Darwin kernel and userspace, which is Open Source, so you can write a module to support anything you want (and they actually do that).
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I'm well aware of what you can and cannot do. I use an open source driver for my printer on Mac OS X, but that's a CUPS driver. The XNU kernel does not support most commodity hardware, which makes Mac OS X impractical to run on most PCs.
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@roddierod
Ii will not work for sure on all x86 hardware, but you can buy one that will work great with Mac OS X by half or even less the money you will have to pay Apple for the same. Just curious, what SCSI controller you use mate?
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LSI U320 it's build into my motherboard, Tyan S2895 which is listed as working but I could find no one that tried the SCSI control.
It has one IDE control and 2 SATA, but I don't have a spare IDE drive. I do have a SATA but that didn't show up either.
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Here are first tracks: http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversi...hp/t23896.html http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.p...7&#entry834427 http://forums.macnn.com/65/mac-pro-a...o-motherboard/ Generally googling for mac pro motherboard seems to gave best results.
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Getting back on topic... I think that FreeBSD can work great on a desktop (and/or laptop), depending on what you are using it for. If you want games and Flash, then it is obviously not your best choice.
But for me, as a developer, I really only want tcsh; compilers/interpreters for Java, C/C++, and Perl; emacs; NetBeans; pdf and chm viewers; and Firefox; and mplayer. FreeBSD has all of that covered. The best part is that I can use a simplistic window manager (fvwm) and have my system run extremely fast because I'm not running tons of unwanted processes in the background. My reason for choosing FreeBSD as a desktop/laptop over a Linux or Windows is that it is really forcing me to learn exactly what is going on inside of my computer, and I have almost absolute control over EVERYTHING! Last edited by TomAmundsen; 25th August 2008 at 08:43 PM. |
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Current market capitalization is $23Bn. I'll chip in a few dollars, if you are up for it.
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The FreeBSD Foundation could fund Adobe as Sun did/does for the Solaris port. It all comes down to how much money the Foundation has. Currently, there's ongoing discussions on the mailing lists about funding Sun for a VirtualBox port. I've found only one discussion of porting Flash; most people seem to be content with the current state of Flash and are looking forward to Flash 9 on 8.0R (Flash 9 works rather well in the 8-CURRENT branch where Linuxulator is at 2.6.16 by default and has more features). I think that sound virtualization (Xen and Virtualbox) support is more urgent than Flash support. Some people may want Flash, but I doubt even vast majority of people who use FreeBSD as a desktop want Flash support. Our best bets with respect to Flash is swfdec and gnash. It's best for F/OSS to support those in the long-run too. (By the way, I don't care about Flash.)
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Yes, I agree that improvements in gnash or swfdec are the way to go.
The problem with going the fund-adobe-to-do-it way is that we could get flash support as good as linux- I run ubuntu amd64 on this notebook, and I have given up on adobe's flash, as it regularly hangs the browser. I use swfdec when I need flash, and, although it regularly doesn't work, at least it doesn't bring the browser down. Of course, if we could only make flash just go away...! The only place flash provides anything positive is with youtube, and even that could be better done just streaming video data.
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Actually, there is a working flash player for FreeBSD ... And yes, it's from Adobe ... From http://thebackbutton.com/blog/73/64-...player-exists/ :
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You may remember that previously in this thread I said that FreeBSD is primarily a server OS that just happens to function as a (excellent) desktop system, which is true, but I would like to point out that this doesn't mean we should totally *ignore* any desktop-specific development, or dismiss them, I meant that this should not be the focus of the development.
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