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(open)bsd on a smartphone : imagine a future?
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after few pages of debate about openbsd, Im thinking about the following one : https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=...20220126191703 as openbsd could run on several different platforms, I was thinking, the reasons of why there is no non-linux alternative, to ios or android-like based phone systems : -ios/android-likes ate almost all the mobile OS market -postmarket/pureos/manjaro/sailfish/mobian/ubuntum/etc are all linux-only variants (bsd, where are you?) -openbsd has reputation of secured-based and reliable system -it could run on older phone, especially for basics interfaces -in a period of cyberattacks, of prism or others pegasus stories, a new highly secured alternative is welcomed i did not found any third-part non-linux, or bsd mobile alternative system... why, how imagine a such project, for the next decades? i thank you vm for your explainations, comments, ideas or suggestions, to understand better the absence of bsd systems on the mobile.. thank you |
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headstick is probably right (sadly)...
Have a look here: https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ Quote:
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This is like going to buy a car and the salesman doing their very best not to sell it to you. The car does not have sat nav, stereo, air con, or heating, or upholstered seating, or any glazing, or a roof... if you still buy it and don't like it - that's your fault. |
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Speaking of Pinephone, I wonder if they've fixed that minor "catching fire" problem they had:
https://xnux.eu/log/017.html Meanwhile GrapheneOS has all the built-in sandboxing features provided by vanilla Android along with their own hardened libc & malloc implementations; Google Play is usable but it is fully sandboxed and has no special permissions. |
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1+ for GrapheneOS. In the general landscape where 1/2 the batteries energy goes to sending Apple/Google your information, GrapheneOS is locked down out the box. My battery life instantly doubled.
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8.8.8.8 DNS is another ... google controlled dns server, where many request the IP of where they're headed, followed by encrypted traffic flow to a initial web page that is relatively static and open for all to see ... and if you have the encrypted stream, the open stream (web page content) and who originated that communication ... there ain't any secrets left. |
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I think the interest for Linux on mobile stems from all the catching up all privacy-friendly forks of Android have to do to stop Google from spying. Sometimes it can seem easier to go back to a clean slate like postmarketOS did than to try to fight Google on their turf. But it is most likely that we will never see Linux on mobile in less than 10 years. |
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you buy your hardware regarding what software will run on it?
I do not. Quote:
not so different than ungoogled lineageos. |
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The OS surely exists to run the software you want to run? To run the OS you buy suitable hardware. The software I want to run is the application for train times, ebay and a few other things. It's a convenience, as with anything else, such as an electric toothbrush, washing machine or flushing toilets. "Big Tech" has this sewn up. You either opt in or you opt out (don't buy into it). Hopefully one day there will be something better, for now there isn't. The nature of smartphones is that they're "lowest common denominator" consumer devices, built around the needs of lazy consumers and feckless individuals who care little about privacy and security. I do very little on mine - i.e. no social networking at all, so the data which google et al, capture from me is not very interesting. As with social media, you're either in it, or you're not (I'm not and never have been). There is no analogous scenario where you start your own faecebook, consisting of just you. With smartphones you're mostly stuck with the OS it came with. This is because GrapheneOS only supports Pixel devices as far as I can recall (?) and LineageOS only has support for limited devices (my Samsung A-something isn't supported for example). If you buy an Android based smartphone, you buy a device with an embedded Linux based OS, which uses mostly proprietary drivers and is loaded with surveillance tech. If that's not OK, the best option is to not buy one in the first place. If you buy Apple, the situation is worse still. If you browse the web using firefox, chromium, etc - you're also spied on by google. If you also visit websites without blocking content, you're still being spied on. The obvious thing to do is go off grid. The bottom line is that until there is proper well thought out legislation against this corporate sponsored surveillance and restriction of freedom (which their probably won't be in our life times), it will continue. The ludicrous thing for me is still that Mickeyshaft got dragged through the courts over IE back in 2001, but we are now confronted with a number of monopolies and restrictions of user choice which are far worse, but which manage to "fly under the radar". |
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Amen!
I've said this before many times, "If its more convenient accomplishing tasks for you without your knowledge of whats going on behind the scenes, then, Generally, its less secure" when addressing the world in general. But, we are human and our nature prevails at times, so there should be trade-offs in doing so. Sadly, those trade-offs are hard to find and require effort to use to protect oneself. (2 cents!) Last edited by frcc; 5th January 2024 at 01:31 PM. Reason: add 2 more cents |
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In GrapheneOS, security hardening is in the main OS rather then the applications:
https://github.com/GrapheneOS/Vanadium Quote:
GrapheneOS Features Last edited by shep; 5th January 2024 at 02:57 PM. |
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