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When you use Gentoo you can even have colored configure and compilation from portage:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/images/2/28/Grc-grendel.1.png They all jerk of about these color all around, also dunno why. From all avialable Linux distributions out there I found Draco GNU/Linux to be most BSD like Linux out there, with Arch Linux being on 2nd place. Draco pros: ++ OSS by default instead of ALSA shit ++ pkgsrc.org as package management ++ /etc/rc.conf for configuration ++ BSD init scripts Draco cons: -- still uses this fucking mess called Linux kernel ... And yes mate, Linux is getting worse and worse as time passes. for example ICH9 support. All other ICH* from Intel were supported in some storage categorry ATA/SATA subsystem if I recall correctly, will you find ICH9 there? No why You thought You would, its placed somwhere in i2c bus, Linux ... FreeBSD has editors/vim and editors/vim-lite in Ports (vim-lite is without X11 support)
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'Happen to be posting from an Opensolaris box (also have a BSD box and a Linux box) and using vim gets you vim. Typing vi gets you vim. Go figure. I'm told by a friend that Solaris 10 is the same.
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Re phoenix's comment on ifconfig--one gets used to whatever method the distro you are using has, but that is one of my biggest complaints. Not to mention their man page--no comment about how to put an alias on a an interface--I shouldn't have to google for something so basic.
Like most of the folks posting here, it seems far more logical to me to have this all manageable in one simple rc.conf file. I use a grey background in my terminals, so the Linux ls default green for executables is quite hard to read. Ah well. Life goes on, ob la di ob la da. Despite the problems, it's kind of the least of my worries at present. |
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/bin/sh and POSIX.
This is not an assumption of mine, should have posted a reference when I mentionned: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/portabilityissues.html
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Yes, lvlamb, but this is LINUX documentation. You know, "Our documentation doesn't have to be accurate, we'll just call you stupid when it doesn't work for you."
As far as I know, the basic sh does not have the environment variable, $UID for user ID, same as id -u. If I run a script on Linux and use the variable $UID it works. (This is with a script that begins #!/bin/sh.) If I do it on a FreeBSD box, using sh, it won't work. HOWEVER--the Debian people did put together a dash shell, which one can use to test true portability. Now, you would expect that something on the LDP would be correct. It should be. It's official and all that stuff. And there you have my biggest complaint about Linux. As the quote says that the two things out of Berkeley were BSD and LSD, one would think that it's after reading BSD docs that you would shout, "Were they on drugs??". However, it's the sort of thing I often say after reading a Linux doc. (Oh, and our DrJ of these forums also came out of Berkeley, so that's three good things.) Hopefully, you realize that I'm not fighting with you over this--your only error is to assume that Linux documentation isn't an oxymoron. Ok, yes, I'm bitter, I've spent all morning looking to find out some stupid little thing that should have been in the docs. I feel SOO much better now. |
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http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashtop.html http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bash.html Just that the Absolute Bash-Scripting guide is one of the best commented with examples guide I fiund available on-line. So, yes, it found a harbour under the TLDP project, so what? Bash is GNU. Reason why I now use yet another non-portable interpreter: {pd}ksh Fwiw, when invoking a Bash|ksh|whatever script with sh scriptname this has precedence over the sha-bang, good way to test for portability. Details, details, I know
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> "Our documentation doesn't have to be accurate, we'll just call you stupid when it doesn't work for you."
so, do BSD devs take the trouble to properly document their software because they got too much time on their hands? btw, if you read the quote carefully you would note that their is an implicit heirarchy in the linux camp. namely: the developers are like god and users are treated like lowly mortals. BSD dev's generally are a _lot_ less pretentious. there is a lot of other BS too associated with linux. currently, i am using centos and debian, and i have to admit that i found centos to be very stable and all the *nix software just works. IMO, centos is a lot like MS windows - its just a platform to run your software, nevermind that the OS itself is mediocre, uninteresting and overly complicated. linux has its advantages: its free/open source, 'similiar enough' to unix to be able to compete with it, and very popular thanks to the massive hype and PR engine behind it. but i suspect that if one looks beneath the pretty gui exterior its still a mess. phew! i have never written a post this big. (note to linuxers: no hard feelings, this is just my opinion and its probably not even worth 2 cents. ) |
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>the developers are like god and users are treated like lowly mortals.
To name the game, this is the usual UNIX behaviour you're talking off. It has something to do with the experience and some kind of tribute to it.
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As I said, I was bitter when I wrote it. I felt so much better after venting that I take it back.
@ephemera, the CentOS people go to a great deal of trouble to keep it stable and working. (It's what I use at work, so I've developed an affection for it. *I* can put it down, but have to protect it in public.) Seriously, a simple example. I wrote a howto on using VServer (similar to jails) in CentOS. However, it requires a modified kernel. This led to discussion on the CentOS doc list, because they are concerned about stability for their users. Also, despite my earlier comments, the CentOS people are very conscientious about docs, more so than their upstream provider. I know you're not trying to start a war of course, but CentOS does stand out, in my mind, as one of the better ones. Their wiki is starting to become one of my first points of reference these days--Max Hetrick's article on Nagios, Ned Slider's on various aspects of postfix both come to mind as useful for all admins. I'm not just saying this because my KVM article is up there. I could give a long list of things I don't like about it, of course, but in general, I'd have to say there is more concern about keeping a stable OS than there is with say, MS. You can also make minimal installations without too much trouble. In fairness, I don't see the developer=DEITY and user=PEON in too many Linux communities. A certain amount of respect of course--the same that we give our developers in the *BSD community. If I write someone and say, you stupid person, how could you have done something so ignorant, then I suppose he or she would probably treat me poorly. BTW, there's an RH bug report right now from Linus himself, having to do with trying to watch youtube videos (but not using flash). In the course of a thread about it on Fedora forums, I finally, after all these years, was rickrolled. :-( For those unfamiliar with the term, go to wikipedia.org and search rickrolled. (Note I put no urls in here, for those familiar with the term won't trust them.) |
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OT, but LSD actually comes from Switzerland. It was first synthesized by Albert Hofmann, of Sandoz (in Basel), who recently passed away recently at the age of 102. His first acid trip was on April 19, 1943, which became known among aficionados as "Bicycle Day" as it was while cycling home from his laboratory that he experienced the most intense symptoms.
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But of course! It was in Chemical & Engineering News recently (a publication of the American Chemical Society, FWIW).
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Unless 95% of graphical programs, command line programs option switches are not always brain-dead easy to use. I personally enjoy writing documentation in source (like Perls POD) or in a separate per-section file, but as long as someone writes decent docs !! === I don't have a problem with people that use bash for scripting, except when they write bash specific scripts and use #!/bin/sh like a dipstick. I've never had any formal education in programming or computers, then again... Much less anything besides Reading, Wring and Arithmetic, maybe a little room clearing as well but you get the point ^_^ When I have a question about what I can do in a shell script, I use my main scripting shells manual page. Which is /bin/sh on FreeBSD. Since most of my learning of Bourne Shell has been 'playful', I some times spot things in the manual or scripts that I never new were possible without upgrading to some thing more featureful like bash, korn, or ruby. I could probably live with a Bourne shell from the day's of Version 7 or System III for scripting use if I had to, I've often thought about installing some of the older shell implementations in ports just for fun. The relationship Linux has with GNU makes the concept Linux has bash. It's just that simple. People should probably look more at the "all linux and nothing but linux" mentality that some developers have, rather then just being bash scripters by habit ^_^. When it comes to interactive use, all I really demand is line editing, tab completion on filenames, and command line history. So I generally prefer more modern shells ;-)
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Could some one please direct me to a bigginers howto for vi or vi improved?
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Then don't.
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That reminds me... most of the second edition of that document is still in need of finishing and posting hehe.
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