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Now lets talk about amd64 and ARM 64. Do NetBSD people really believe that those NetBSD ports are such a state of the art and that there are no new features to be added? I am really curios to hear examples from people who run NetBSD in real production (universities, labs, companies). What do you guys use NetBSD for and on what kind of hardware? How does network or file system(s) (for example NFS) performance compares to other BSD and Linux? How does Dom0 on NetBSD compares to the Debian one? Any cool appliances or specialized builds? How preform fully encrypted NetBSD installation? What is the current state of cryptographic drivers? What is the issue with software raid? Does NetBSD support soft RAID 6? How is the support for hardware raid? Does LSI MegaRAID Storage Manager run on NetBSD? Are there any issues with IPMI on NetBSD? What about net-snmp for example? What is the current state of Linux emulator in particular do they have 64 bit emulation? Can anybody run Linux MATLAB on NetBSD? Last edited by Oko; 13th December 2014 at 04:12 AM. |
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FWIW, the "building binaries on one platform to be used on all platforms of the same CPU arch" thing isn't unique to NetBSD. OpenBSD does this as well. I'd be hard-pressed to learn that others didn't do this as well.
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Wouldn't want any confusion about my confusion. EDIT I blame it on Color Computer 2 & 3 exposure. That's right, I recorded that square bouncing ball to cassette. Last edited by fn8t; 13th December 2014 at 06:39 AM. |
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Stop throwing rocks. It doesn't serve any larger purpose, & it is counter-productive.
It is also irresponsible. Can blemishes in all projects be found? Of course. This isn't news, & dredging up past warts isn't newsworthy -- especially when those slinging the mud have no involvement in the project's direction. If you don't like how a project is being managed, do something constructive. Add to the discussion. This thread has added little value, if any at all. Development is complicated, & the NetBSD project has done a masterful job of attempting to run on many platforms. Respect the problem, & if it seems to be a hinderance, learn about the real technical details that led to the decisions made. If learning takes time, so be it. You will be a better person for having done real homework, & an opinion will be formed on grounded reality. Criticizing from afar with no real knowledge of the thorny issues involved is simply noise. Many of you have commented on this site for years, but what I see in this thread is truly embarrassing. This site has had a tradition of thoughtful discussion, but it is not demonstrated here. |
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I have an instance of NetBSD 7.0 BETA/99.2 running in VirtualBox (because I am not able to run it in bhyve).
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Edit reason: concerned
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I was somewhat hoping that shar wouldn't be found. Be extremely careful if you choose to read it.
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Obviously; 'it's hard to be a judge in your own case'.
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Late to the discussion, but I haven't been around...
In response to the "The Amiga port doesn't get many commits"-argument: How many commits do you expect to see here? Amiga doesn't make new hardware (and hasn't for a while), so the platform-specific stuff probably supports all the desired features. There are without a doubt bugs in the Amiga platform, but with little new hardware, most of the obvious one are solved already (I would be worried if there would a continues stream of bugfixes on such a platform). In response to "NetBSD should drop old platform to speed up development"-argument: Once you support more than 1 or 2 (very) different platforms, you need to write platform-independent code; adding a few extra platforms usually won't hurt you, neither do old platforms prevent the addition of new features, NetBSD has had loadable kernel modules for a while, and many features (like the new firewall, which was brought up as an example by someone) can simply be a loadable module; if a platform doesn't support that, then that sucks, but it doesn't prevent *other* platforms from using it. Wikipedia mentions "Currently, unlike other kernels such as μClinux, the NetBSD kernel requires the presence of an MMU in any given target architecture.", NetBSD has also dropped some platforms, as can be seen on http://netbsd.org/ports/history.html So it would seem that NetBSD doesn't go out of the way to support every possible platform out there.
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Just my five pence to the discussion, also rewording some of what has been said above.. I think that NetBSD has suffered from the very fact that the BSD world is small after what's left of Linux and there's not enough community backing available for each version. Historians will tell us why FreeBSD became more popular than NetBSD around 2000, as for OpenBSD vs. NetBSD I think Open's proclaimed emphasis on security has been a much better advertisement than Net's record-breaking portability. You'd rather want your OS be secure than run on obscure hardware, wouldn't you.. And, as the BSD world is small and rather well interconnected, there's hardly been space for 3 or more equally strong OSes, with some pessimistic consequences for our dearly loved NetBSD.
P.S. One interesting comment from Facebook: Pongthep Kulkrisada I use both NetBSD and FreeBSD. As far as I have tested, NetBSD is faster and cleaner. I always opt NetBSD. 5 December 2014 at 17:32 · Like · 1 Bartek Krawczyk Pongthep Kulkrisada, and what did you test and how? 5 December 2014 at 19:06 · Like Pongthep Kulkrisada I do not adhere to any benchmark. I only test what I use. My family business is running local web server (intranet) using much CGI, which is mostly written in C. That time I tried both FreeBSD (9.x) and NetBSD (5.1.2). I could say NetBSD is 15-20% faster in all routines. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2228...2987408348694/ |
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What does it mean "cleaner"? Did he by any chance diff entire FreeBSD and NetBSD source three and have done code review of the difference? Speaking of which NetBSD is heavily relying on cross compiling and has almost non-existent QA.
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