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Hi,

If OpenBSD's main focus is on security how come by default FIrefox is not updated to the latest version ?

Also why is pf.conf is so relaxed ?

I am not trying to start an argument. I am just curious.
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how come by default FIrefox is not updated to the latest version ?
OpenBSD -current has the latest version of both www/mozilla-firefox & www/firefox-esr and I think you were told how to get them running in -stable or -release in a recent thread[1].

The project only supplies binary package updates for -current, users of -stable & -release are expected to build their own (or use Landry's packages), I think.

The ever-useful FAQ has a relevant section:
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For third party software installed via packages, there are two options:
  • Upgrade your system to -current and use binary packages
    Binary packages for -current snapshots are rebuilt on a regular basis, and these new packages will include any security fixes that were committed. Simply call pkg_add(1) with the -u flag to get the new files.
  • Use the -stable ports tree
    Fetch (or update) your ports tree, run the /usr/ports/infrastructure/bin/out-of-date script to list any packages in need of rebuilding, and issue make update in the affected port directory. To be alerted of port updates, consider following the ports-changes mailing list.
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches

Anyway, www/chromium should probably be favoured because the privsep model is better and it has full integration with both pledge(2) and unveil(2): I run mine with
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/usr/local/bin/chrome --enable-unveil
and the entire filesystem tree (except ~/Downloads) is then hidden from the browser

[1] http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10734
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... how come by default FIrefox is not updated to the latest version ?
There are three flavors of this OS. You are using the flavor known as "-release."

1. -release
There are 2 releases per year, on or about May 1 and November 1.
Releases are created at a fixed point in time, and once published are never revised. This includes the base OS as well as third party packages such as Firefox.

Errata patches to the base OS may be developed and published. These are published in source code form on the website. For some popular architectures, errata patches are also published in binary form and deployed through the syspatch(8) utility.
2. -stable
Errata patches -- plus any minor OS patches not deemed important enough to be published as errata patches -- are committed to the source code repository as the -stable branch of the OS.
Some ports may receive updates under the -stable branch, if they qualify. The updates must address Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVEs) and require no library changes to be considered for the -stable branch.

As explained to you previously, -stable packages are not built by the Project, as it lacks the resources to produce them. As I'd noted in that thread, users can build -stable packages from the Ports tree, or obtain them from M:Tier, or -- specifically for Firefox -- obtain them from the port's Maintainer.
3. -current
This is the development branch of the OS. While -current changes constantly, the Project produces snapshots of the OS for installation or upgrade. The snapshot cadence varies by architecture and development needs.

For the convenience of the user community, the Project also produces "snapshot" packages from the Ports tree for the most popular architectures.
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The initial installation makes no assumptions about network use-cases or initial deployment requirements. For example, your personal workstation's network deployment will have nothing in common with my public-facing remote servers' network deployment requirements. You may have access to your keyboard and screen, if for some reason network access is blocked for you. Me? Not necessarily.

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@Head_on_a_Stick

Thanks for replying.

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As explained to you previously, -stable packages are not built by the Project, as it lacks the resources to produce them. As I'd noted in that thread, users can build -stable packages from the Ports tree, or obtain them from M:Tier, or -- specifically for Firefox -- obtain them from the port's Maintainer.
Do you think adding a "unofficial mirror" may introduce unknown vulnerabilities ?

Sorry for being repetitive but can I add a mirror to /etc/installurl and update FIrefox ?
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Thanks for replying.

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Do you think adding a "unofficial mirror" may introduce unknown vulnerabilities ?

Sorry for being repetitive but can I add a mirror to /etc/installurl and update FIrefox ?
Are you asking me, "Do you trust Landry?" If so, my answer is "Yes." While we've never met, I've been in communication with him for years, and he is an active member of the OpenBSD Project - meaning he is an OpenBSD developer. I understand he is also a Firefox developer.

If you mean, "Do you trust M:Tier?" my answer is, "Yes. It is a commercial company, that happens to have a number of OpenBSD developers on its staff, and that has been providing -stable services to the OpenBSD community for several years."
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Are you asking me, "Do you trust Landry?" If so, my answer is "Yes." While we've never met, I've been in communication with him for years, and he is an active member of the OpenBSD Project - meaning he is an OpenBSD developer. I understand he is also a Firefox developer.

If you mean, "Do you trust M:Tier?" my answer is, "Yes. It is a commercial company, that happens to have a number of OpenBSD developers on its staff, and that has been providing -stable services to the OpenBSD community for several years."
Can I add mirror to /etc/installurl and upgrade Firefox that way ?
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As per the prior thread, and Landry's instructions, use the $PKG_PATH environment variable to override using your installurl(5) file. Per its man page, only a single site can be named in the file.
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As per the prior thread, and Landry's instructions, use the $PKG_PATH environment variable to override using your installurl(5) file. Per its man page, only a single site can be named in the file.
I am getting this

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$ doas env PKG_PATH=https://packages.rhaalovely.net/snapshots/amd64/ pkg_add -u firefox
doas (none@home.my.domain) password: 
https://packages.rhaalovely.net/snapshots/amd64/firefox-63.0beta10.tgz: signify: can't open /etc/signify/landry-mozilla-pkg.pub for reading: No such file or directory
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Also, is the above adding of mirror permanent ? Will it survive a reboot ?
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I am getting this
You did not download and install his key, as noted in his instructions and as noted in the prior thread.
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Also, is the above adding of mirror permanent ? Will it survive a reboot ?
No, it is a command you have copied and pasted. You could store it in a shell script for your convenience.
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bsd007, in the future please limit threads to a single question/topic.

For many on this site, English is not their first language, and technical discussion is difficult enough to have multiple topics so intertwined together. So to simplify discussion for everyone involved, start a new thread when you have a new unrelated question.

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Okay/Sorry for the confusion
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