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Old 29th December 2017
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Hello Laptop Users

I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.

I just thought it would make life easier to get system recommendations from those running FreeBSD or TrueOS on this already. I will likely search Ebay for my final choice.

Thanks!
-Ben
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Judging from some things on FreeBSD forums, I'm not sure that dual card laptops work that well withTrueOS (or any of the BSDs), but am not sure. I see someone was having problems with CURRENT, which is what TrueOS uses as a base if i'm right.

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/63866/

General thoughts. Both Free and OpenBSD are usually behind Linux in hardware support. While a wireless card will probably work, it often won't have the speeds that are gotten with Linux--for example, the iwm driver doesn't do 802.11.ac In practice, I've found this means that a local LAN transfer might be 20-50MB in Linux, on occasion, 11-12 MB in CURRENT (but rarely) and generaly, in Free and OpenBSD about 2-3MB.

This TrueOS posting from last year might be useful.

https://discourse.trueos.org/t/good-...sd-11-0/255/21
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There is a current and lengthy thread on the FreeBSD forums about running TrueOS on a laptop
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/63746/
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Judging from some things on FreeBSD forums, I'm not sure that dual card laptops work that well withTrueOS (or any of the BSDs), but am not sure. I see someone was having problems with CURRENT, which is what TrueOS uses as a base if i'm right.
What did you mean by: "dual card"

The forums all seem to be discussing IF one should use FreeBSD (or variant) on a Laptop.

Since I have already done it and already decided I will do it again. I just want to know what hardware any of you recommend?

What are you using in your laptop running FreeBSD or TrueOS?

Thanks!!
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I'm sorry, dual card refers to laptops that have both an integrated Intel card and a separate NVida card. I think it's more of a gaming thing. (Not a gamer so not that sure).
On my one laptop with a Haswell card, I'm using FreeBSD-CURRENT.. I think that TrueOS may have trouble multibooting if you're not using UEFI, which I don't use.

My newer laptop--I say newer but it's from 2013, is a yoga2 with a Haswell ULT video and an Intel 7260 dual band wireless card. Video works with the drm-next-kmod port. Wireless works with the iwm driver, but only gets speeds of 2-3MB over the LAN, though on RARE occasion, it's gone up to 10-11MB.
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Since I have already done it and already decided I will do it again. I just want to know what hardware any of you recommend?
The zfs file system has the ability to mirror/snapshot your data on the fly. If you have a large amount of data, this can take significant RAM, CPU and hard drive R/W. ECC memory is a plus but not generally available on laptops. IMHO, the zfs file system is more appropriate for servers, not laptops.

FreeBSD has a web page on supported NVidia, Intel and AMD/Radeon graphics.

Also be aware that Lenovo and HP have some hard ware restrictions in their bios that impacts the ability to swap out the wireless card - not sure if this impacts CD -> HD.
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Hello Laptop Users

I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.

I just thought it would make life easier to get system recommendations from those running FreeBSD or TrueOS on this already. I will likely search Ebay for my final choice.

Thanks!
-Ben
ThinkPads T420s/T520/W520/W530/T430/T530 work without any issues, with 11.1-RELEASE.

ThinkPad T460/T470/... work with 12-CURRENT and DRM-NEXT.
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Vermaden,

Thanks for answering my thread question with a direct and to the subject answer list of one or more laptops you recommend.

I got a TP W530 on Ebay and it works Great so far with TrueOS.

Code:
LENOVO THINKPAD W530
PROCESSOR = Intel Core i7-3740QM 2.7Ghz (Turbo to 3.7Ghz)
RAM = 8GB DDR3 MEMORY
DISC DRIVE = DVD-R (SERIAL ULTRABAY ENHANCED)
OPERATING SYSTEM = NO OS INSTALLED
GRAPHICS = NVIDIA Quadro K1000M (2GB GDDR3) / Intel HD Graphics 4000
DISPLAY = 15.6" (1920x1080)
The unit came with No HDD. I purchased 2, new, (~$50ea)
> HGST 1TB 32MB Cache 7200RPM SATA III (6.0Gb/s) 2.5" PS3&4 Hard Drv
and a HDD Caddy for the UltraBay

I installed the 2 drives and then installed TrueOS w/zMirror

I had an issue with the latest iso because it had issues with the NVIDIA card so I used and older version and installed: TrueOS-Desktop-2016-12-27-x64-DVD.iso Then let it upgrade to the latest version. ( I later learned I should disable the nVidia for the install)

WiFi is working fine.

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I am trying to get a good recommendation on Laptops to consider for running TrueOS.

My requirements are:

* Must have Nvidia Video Graphics built in
* Must have CD drive (so I can replace it with a second hard drive for ZFS Mirror)
* Must be at least Dual Core.
I know you already made a purchase, but in the interest of posterity...

I have 2 Thinkpad T61 running FreeBSD with the dreaded Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M GPU, known for overheating if made after 2008. Mine weren't and perform fine with the nvidia-driver-304 port.

One has an Intel Core2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.0GHz and the other a T7700 @ 2.4 GHz. Each have 4GB RAM but supposedly upgradable to 8GB RAM. They come with a DVD burner in an UltraBay and can be swapped out for another HDD.

If you know what to look for as far as signs of heavy use and are looking at the right time some sweet deals can be had on ebay. Lease returns are a crap shoot and it's the luck of the draw which one they pick out. Look for sellers with high rep, what seems like a good deal might be best passed on for something a few $$$ more from a more reputable seller.

Single owners you should be able to know about what you're getting and can query them about it.

I paid a little over $50 for the T61 I'm on now and prefer to use it over my more powerful W520 OpenBSD machine, which has Nvidia Optimus and worked out-of-the-box with OpenBSD..
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