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GNOME will probably become 'linux only' as XFCE did recently
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SORCES: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/g...d-solaris-unix http://mail.gnome.org/archives/deskt.../msg00439.html
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But lately I do more and more check this site. Really don't know why... something is starting to appeal me to it, probably mostly development possibilities and tools.... and integration, I dunno, but since beginning of this year, I installed (and deinstalled) it at least 6 times (that isn't normal for me) |
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This from the very DE that Linus spat on?
Yeah, support Linux only. Wise choice. Though I find it amusing that 99% of the BSD users who I've talked to about this have said basically "meh...I use $some_wm...doesn't bother me a bit."
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Gnome has been Linux-centric as far back as I can remember. Over a decade ago, we were complaining that configuration files and device references were hardcoded as Linux-specific, and that was with Gnome 1.x. More recently, those who wanted Gnome had to put up with HAL and PulseAudio garbage. Similarly, I recall that KDE has always been friendly towards the BSD's.
The Gnome team is really burning bridges lately. First with Ubuntu (probably 2/3 of their install base), and now with the other UNIX-like operating systems. Some have argued that Solaris choosing Gnome half a decade ago lead to its acceptance in the corporate world...now they are dropping support? Bite the hand that feeds. Lots of poor management decisions happening in that community recently. With the loss of Ubuntu, the negative reactions towards Gnome-shell, and the end of Novell backing Mono, I wouldn't be surprised if the project were defunct in a couple of years. BTW, XFCE runs brilliantly on OpenBSD. Just can't use the Trash can. |
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I've been thinking about this. I've written & released a few small programs, for example a small tray icon which displays your notebook's battery status.
Only FreeBSD and OpenBSD are supported. Why? Because I don't use Linux. I don't think anyone can blame me for this ... Of course, I am a "lone developer" and the Gnome project is a bit larger. But what if none of the Gnome developers use BSD but only use Linux. Isn't this the same situation? Can we really blame the Gnome people for not supporting an OS none of the developers use?
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This might not pertain to the BSD's, but Sun *did* spend millions on R&D in the early days of Gnome 2.x. Specifically for usability, accessibility, and stability. I guess the mindset is that now Sun is dead, so their improvements can be thrown out the window (see: Gnome Shell), a sort of thanks but no-thanks movement.
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I only saw the new 3.0 shell in a demo at a local Linux group, never tried it, but it appeared to be both buggy and have that new "kiosk" feel I so hate in modern UIs. I doubt I'll ever even try installing it, even after my 10 year old computer dies and I get better hardware. Yet perhaps for Antoine's target users it would be useful, I don't know. It would be a shame if immature, short sited developers like this one caused him and the other Gnome porters excessive work. |
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Listen, Antoine is paid to support Gnome. In my experience common user tend to get used to their GUI and stick to it. If you give them Gnome they expect to see classical Gnome outlook. A good system administrator will know that and if he puts KDE he will configure it to look just as a Gnome. If Antoine's company uses KDE the article could have been rewritten probably using sed. Code:
$ sed 's/Gnome/KDE/g' old_article.txt > new_article.txt If Gnome people wants to contribute good. If not we shouldn't be crying here and worry about the decisions we have no control over. I hope that Gtk project doesn't follow the steps of Gnome because that would definitely create more problems at least on the short run. Last edited by Oko; 19th May 2011 at 08:13 PM. |
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What are your opinions of GNUstep and perhaps Etoile as an option for users needing a desktop following recent fashions? I still haven't gotten around to trying it lately, but at least one of Etoile's most active developers is a BSD user I believe.
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Something like a window manager or a desktop environment can be written by using only standard POSIX API's and common UI toolkits, when it comes down to writing "non-portable" components for such environments like, battery monitors.. they could be optionally not built when the right conditions aren't met. |
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If it runs XMonad and gives me a decent terminal and system tray, I'm happy :-).
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It's worth pointing out though that Qt is abandoning just about everything but Tier 1 as it used to be: Linux, Windows, and OS X. But we are getting Weyland support eventually and I bet it will be easier to maintain ports of Qt/X11 on *BSD then the GNOME development stack.
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We might as well design a desktop environment around Wine + qvwm. Same concept, but at least Wine is somewhat proven and gives access to a lot more apps. Plus, GNUstep is probably an Apple lawsuit waiting to happen if it ever took off.
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See this thread in the OpenBSD ports@ mailing list.
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