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Also, if OpenBSD's goal is to meet ONLY its members' needs, why release it at all? I think in releasing something to the public entails collaboration with that public; if not collaboration, a patient response to why something is not done or will never be done. I am new to OpenBSD and not exactly new to Unix/Linux; overall, the install procedure is not difficult and, yet, neither is it intuitive. Especially when trying to follow the automatic partitioning of slices... I have 16GB or RAM and the auto partitioner allocated 16GB of swap space! In 1995 swap should mirror RAM; in 2014 that might not be the case for almost all modern systems; further, the default list in disklabel slices is in some esoteric format not spelled out by disklabel(8) or fdisk(8). In the absence of options in 'p' (i.e., [b]ytes, [m]egabytes, [g]igabytes, etc.), what is the default list unit? No math I've found makes sense. I've noticed that OpenBSD attracts a lot of "RTFM" responses; the problem with that is that man/info pages are written by those who know for those who know but may need a little refresher on flags, etc. They are not friendly to new users... I would never, and I am assuming none of you would do the same, EVER point my wife to disklabel(8) and tell her to RTFM, figure it out and good luck. She would stick with Mac OS X or Linux rather than have to slog through the developers' esoteric man/info pages; she has tried and, being dyslexic, found it extremely difficult. Personally, though, I thought OpenBSD's install procedure to be great, and aside from a little more learning on my part, easy compared to other operating systems. Whole disk encryption is a breeze compared to most Linux distributions! Last edited by spitfire_ak; 20th August 2014 at 06:50 AM. Reason: Removed [LIST] from [QUOTE /] |
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The OS's definitive documentation is its collection of man pages. However, they are not intended to be tutorials. The only official "How To" documents are the FAQ and its subsidiary documents such as the PF Users Guide. Last edited by jggimi; 20th August 2014 at 10:33 AM. Reason: typo |
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I like you. You're funny.
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See: Comment from Mr. Raadt ... OpenBSD is in very REAL trouble as of 2014. Hopefully, some company or person has stepped up to provide the much-needed funds.
I have a little money to donate, I paid for subscriptions to SUSE and am now moving on. I'm waiting to see how I feel about OpenBSD before investing more time & money. As for the OP, he asked a legitimate question: why no GUI install? Heck, I would go further, why no curses-based install, at the least? Is there a security reason or just a preference by the developers? |
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Yes, the Foundation has received significant funding in response to that request.
--- The same installation script is used across all 23 active architectures. That is a valid reason for "no GUI". And, while it might be possible to implement a script that uses curses across all of these disparate architectures, I can't recall anyone stepping forward to do so. You could call that "developer preference," or "developer disinterest." You could also call it "end-user apathy." One of the ways that users can get "listened to" is by submitting software to the Project for consideration. This can be patches, or new ports, or perhaps revised or new utilities. If you want to try to improve the installer, you should make the attempt. I know the history of some of the Project's developers. Universally, they started down the path to developers by initially submitting programs or patches to address what they perceived as an unmet need. Last edited by jggimi; 20th August 2014 at 07:37 PM. Reason: clarity |
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If you're looking for complexity and nonsense, OpenBSD isn't the project for you. Really. And that's OK. OpenBSD isn't the project for a lot of people. But now your extrapolations have gotten beyond the realm of silly. If a shell installer is something that's so major you wouldn't want to install OpenBSD, then don't install OpenBSD. Or you can stop complaining and do something about it. Worked well for me. But really, the GUI installer is something that's been asked time and time again. It's not gonna change. It's tiring to see people argue for something they haven't even attempted to understand. |
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For most installations of OpenBSD for the typical user you can just hammer the enter key until installation is complete.
So next time you install OpenBSD, close your eyes, start hammering the enter button and pretend you are being greeted with nifty graphical effects each time. You can even use your mouse to click about if you want (it wont do anything mind). Simples Edit: AIX does not have a graphical installer. Perhaps you should mention to IBM that they may get more money (even more money) if they introduce one. |
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Mashing the ENTER key doesn't really produce a workable workstation; perhaps it works well for a server, I am not sure, as I've only ever tried to install a workstation.
Given a 250 GB hard drive, the automatic creation of slices leaves inadequate space in /usr/local for a complete workstation install. One must use disklabel to adjust the slice size (using 'R' to manipulate auto-created slice sizes). The default (mashing the ENTER key) only gave me 8 GB of space; after messing around with sizes, I was able to see that a full install of everything that I may want/need to do, the size was ~12GB. How many workstations use X? How many of the end-users use X? How many developers use X? Graphical interfaces are not a bad thing... @kpedersen I agree, AIX doesn't have a GUI install, and it caused problems for installation for those not familiar with non-GUI, which I was able to fix. Personally, as I have stated elsewhere here, I have NO PROBLEMS with a CLI or curses-based install; I am wondering why, like the OP, there exists no GUI install. My question has been answered... thank you all for the responses; not sure if the OP received an answer for which s/he has been looking... Last edited by spitfire_ak; 26th August 2014 at 07:48 PM. Reason: added response to kpedersen |
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Get over your sense of entitlement. You at best get to be along for the ride, nothing more. |
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Just reading through this topic does give the impression that OpenBSD is still an unfriendly place to go - however I know better. Not so long ago, you would be just told to read the documentation, now it is much more friendly - they actually tell you which part. :lol:
On a serious note, some projects are created for newbies, such as *buntu, whilst others are created to do a specific job. All the BSDs fall into this latter category, newbies to these OSes are expected to know how to use the command line as a minimum. If you just want a free OS, Linux is for you, however, if you want to understand your OS, take the time to learn how it operates. There are lots of people willing to help newbies in forums such as this.
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I am closing this thread as a number of (much) later responses moved far from the point made by the initial poster. Those side discussions have been split into their own threads.
Side discussions are encouraged on this site, however, we also find that most members come to this site to mine the archives. To simplify this process, we ask members to respect the direction taken by the initial poster, & stay on that topic. Technical discussions are difficult enough to follow when they are linear in progression. Meandering can make threads incomprehensible. Again, we promote new discussion. However, if you want to take conversation in a different direction, start a new thread. This practice is covered in the forum rules. |
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