I've got cultural, let's say, issue... Maybe it's trivial, but, neverthless, interesting from a sociological point of view.
I've noticed that folks from around US/Canada use word "hacker" pretty often and loosely. It confuses me, because in Europe nobody uses it... at all, in fact.
There is a strict hierarchy established in "computerists language" in my country. Of course, individual may belong to several groups at once. It goes something like this:
1) Scripter: knows handful of hi-level languages, and he/she will do the scripting job in a few hours. It'll work, yeah, but don't expect any firecrackers...
Usually does websites/donkey work for a programmer.
2) Programmer: Now that guy/chick will think for a moment before opening vim. Better skilled, probably with academic background, does the job for a computer scientist.
3) Computer Scientist - thinks all day about algorithms. About improvements. About mathematical proves of his/her new shiny recipe for cloud computing. You'll find his/her in an optimization cathedral at your nearest university. Don't need to be even a programmer (but usually is)
4) Hacker: Now that's a legend.
Nobody knows any hacker.
And "Anonymous" guys are NOT hackers. Not at all.
Hacker checks out operating system of a target, reads this system from source [if available] or from hex editor [if not], sees an opportunity for a sploit, drinks his sugar-aspartame flavoured soda, writes the sploit, jumps through TOR and thousands of proxies, exploits a bug, deletes logs, eats his/her potato chips, scans another target...
How does it look like in the other hemisphere?
DDoS-persons are usually called vandals, or internet hooligans. And I cant stop laughing when watching fox/cbs/nbc/whatever news with "Anonymous Hackers Group" on a lead
The term "hacker" has lost its meaning from being overused by those who don't really understand. If you were to ask ten people what the word means, you will likely get ten different answers -- regardless of whether they are in the industry or not.
The problem is further complicated by the fact that many slinging the term about are doing so to associate themselves with a mystique or inflate their own prowess.
So is there confusion on the part of many? Yes, but the world still continues to rotate.
2. Cracker- a bad/malicious/ ungoodly hacker.
Hello there !
I think both punk0x29a's taxinomy and ninguem's are valid .. word confusion may emanate from where we stand and whst syntagmatic/associative sets we consider :
If I consider what 'they WANT to achieve' , I'd say there are 3 :
Mere users < crashers/lamers < Hackers
If I consider what 'they CAN do' : then punk0x29a's post is to the point ..
The term 'hacker' must preserve its ideal epistemic attire .. Theo de Raadt is a Hacker .. Patrick Volkerding is .. jggimi/ocicat/J65nko are Programmers :-) .. the term computer scientist seems to me to be an 'academic label' that we may drop .. ie .. who can prove than Richard Stallman is to be granted the label 'computer scientist' while de Raadt is to be denied ? both hackers have contributed great pieces of software that have influenced cyberspace and IT .. and not just that .. ok ok :
In Karate terminology : we have a variety of titles on the basis of how much expertise is gained not just how many belts (dan) : shihan .. sensei .. renshi .. kyoshi .. hanshi .. O'sensei .. etc .. so we find people with different opinions about a master .. as much as about a hacker .. why ?
Because those people differ in how much they know about those they judge .. as much as about know-how to judge ..
So, I don't think about this night and day, bouncing my head off the wall and stuff
But, what concerns me is that... Dunno how to call that.. Doublespeak, yeah. That's the good word.
Not only in nothern America. Everywere, it seems.
While loitering through this forum, I've found link to this awesome site:
I've been thinking... If using "MZFT ArchMacroVirus" [ (C)daemonfowl ;-) ] makes people lazy, what about overusing words that should mean something significant?
For example: word ,,Friend''
I'm not really sure if people belonging to (my_age_group.val() - 5*years) know true meaning of this word anymore - at all.
Regular behavior: Guys ,,talking" @ cigarette break with headphones plugged into their ears, listening to some pure-commercial radio stuff (I wont call it music, no way!), dazzling on telephone screens at the same time!
What a quality attention division! What a multitasking skill! ;-)
"Hey guys, wait" - says one of them, interrupting so-called "conversation", which is actually based on a mutual speech-jamming. - "Got to say hi to my girlfriend, or she'll be pissed off"
He opens up a F***book window on his phone, writes down "hi", presses down "send" button and - boom! Girl just 5 meters away (sic!) receives the message, replies "hi" and goes somewhere...
When I've asked him why he just didn't say "hi" he replied, quote:
It's easier this way...
Well then... Something went wrong...
But, returning to main conversation:
So, to be clear, I'm not trying to insult anyone here and I don't want anybody to feel resentful because of me.
Intelligent persons wont call themselves "intelligent" , right?
Charismatic person wont say "I'm charismatic" ( unless this person is a celebrity ;-)
As Richard Dawkins once said:
"There is nothing wrong in redefining words, as long as they're used in a clear and unambigous way"
Only the last part is something, in fact, hard to achieve...
While it's easy to catch term meaning on a forum like this, where one can find mostly adult people with no intention of
Yeah, I know, I know... It's all just a show and stuff, must be interesting... But... Still...
O!... Or watching this kind'a "art"
Now, after Edward Snowden's action, I wanted to find all these documents. After typing "nsa leaked documents" in google I've got:
50+ news/blog sites with titles like: "ANONYMOUS HACKER GROUP LEAKS SECRET NSA DOCUMENTS"
Ant then, somewhere deep, there is a site with: "Anonymous leaks not-so-secret NSA documents"
And, as it turns out, those "leaked" data were available publicly for a long, long time ;-)
And I still cant find nothing but those few ugly PPT slides...
Last edited by punk0x29a; 13th June 2013 at 07:35 AM.
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