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Old 9th August 2008
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Default Does KDE4 require KDE3?
How much of KDE3 is required to run KDE4? I was looking through the Makefile for kde4 and I noticed a lot of references to kde3. As a matter of fact, the following two lines appear close to the bottom of the file.

USE_KDELIBS_VER=3
USE_KDEBASE_VER=3

Is there any way I can install only KDE4 libraries and applications or am I going to have to delete/reinstall/rebuild individual KDE3 applications as they get ported to KDE4?

P.S. KDE4 will not be installed on my primary partition so I can piecemeal this desktop together manually if at all possible. Who knows, it might even be fun tracking down applications and their dependencies to make sure the DE is KDE4.x "pure".
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x11/kde4 is a repocopy of x11/kde3, all KDE4 ports are repocopies, for some reason there was some delay in the repocopy and the actual updating ...

But KDE4 is now released, (13 minutes ago to be exact), so it should be available after you update your ports tree.
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I'm thinking of testing it on my FreeBSD desktop, but I don't want to wreck the setup that I'm so happy with. However, it still irks me that KDE 4 was horrible on Gentoo and Debian. Maybe it was Linux.
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Carpetsmoker, thank you for your reply. KDE4 is compiling right now.
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troberts, when you get it up and running, could you please post a couple of screenshots and report memory usage?
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troberts, when you get it up and running, could you please post a couple of screenshots and report memory usage?
Yes, I will post some screenshots. What screen shots would you like to see? Even though the partition I am installing KDE on is not my primary partition I still want to keep it KDE4-only so I will not be installing KDE3 applications.

It is still compiling so it might be a while until I can post some screenshots.
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I'd like to see some screenshots of graphical effects if you have a video card that supports them. I would also like to see screenshots of the plasmoids and a screenshot displaying resource usage on idle.
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Yes, I will post some screenshots. What screen shots would you like to see? Even though the partition I am installing KDE on is not my primary partition I still want to keep it KDE4-only so I will not be installing KDE3 applications.

It is still compiling so it might be a while until I can post some screenshots.
I don't know how is your building but I have a problem with "redland":

../librdf/.libs/librdf.so: undefined reference to `db_create'
../librdf/.libs/librdf.so: undefined reference to `db_strerror'
gmake[1]: *** [redland-db-upgrade] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/textproc/redland/work/redland-1.0.7/utils'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/redland.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/redland.
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I just finished compiling it on my machine... Here are a few screenshots:

http://68.32.29.130/snapshot1.png
http://68.32.29.130/snapshot2.png
http://68.32.29.130/snapshot3.png
http://68.32.29.130/snapshot4.png

The last one is with KDE4 at idle (effects enabled, but only the framerate one actually activated), and has top running in an xterm. I have no had a chance to play with plasmoids yet.

This is with an X1900 and the open source radeon driver built from git.

EDIT: If you tried to get to the screenshots, and couldn't, please try again. We had a power outage and I don't have apache start up by default when the system comes up, so I had to restart it when I got home.

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Does KDE4 use compiz?
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I think they imported portions of Compiz to for the effect in Kwin4.
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It does not "use" compiz in that you don't need to have compiz installed. You can run KDE4 with compiz, however. And, as much of the compositing functionality in KDE4 is similar to some of the compositing functionality in compiz, the developers may have reused some compiz code... They certainly reused some of the concepts :-)

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Ok, finally got KDE4 running ... Only took a day and a half to build ...

20 seconds into browsing with dolphin and I get my first crash ... :-/

Not to mention that it's extremly slow at even simple animations ...

Also, I see that the KDE people are still absolute morons when it comes to usability ...

So nothing really changed ... The K in KDE still stands for Krap ...
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I use the latest version of Xfce 4 and the changes going into Xfce 4.6 are very exciting. I particularly look forward to seeing the Xfconf interface, which is supposed to handle all settings and will contain import and export functions of the configuration to make cloning and restoration of the environment easy. I also am excited for the built-in OpenGL compositor, which is supposed to be included along side the current one. It will bring support for adjustable shadows, shadow colors, and a few other basic effects. I hope that they stay true to the word basic because if they pull a Vista or a KDE, I will be upset. Compiz is enough for that and Compiz and Xfce work very well together. What Xfce should have is a set of simple effects that enhance usability and that, above all, are completely optional.
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Ok, finally got KDE4 running ... Only took a day and a half to build ...

20 seconds into browsing with dolphin and I get my first crash ... :-/

Not to mention that it's extremly slow at even simple animations ...

Also, I see that the KDE people are still absolute morons when it comes to usability ...

So nothing really changed ... The K in KDE still stands for Krap ...
The only ones worse at taking usability into consideration, and better at pushing out crap, are those gnome developers.

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adam,

do you have a download link for the wallpaper you have on the 2nd monitor?

also, thanks for the screenshots.
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> The only ones worse at taking usability into consideration, and better at pushing out crap, are those gnome developers.

i agree.

(though personally, i somehow prefer gnome.)
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Unfortunately, I don't. It simply came with KDE4. I'll upload it later today if I get the chance.

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I agree 100% with carpetsmoker. I think that time for change KDE for Xfce is here after 10 years .
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To each their own. Until GNOME, xfce, and the other "desktop environments" come up with something akin to KIO slaves, I'll be sticking with KDE. That, and the sheer amount of code re-use due to KParts and kdelibs, are what keep me with KDE, as it leads to much nicer integration among apps and much better conformity among apps. Not to mention the sheer configurability of the environment ... I've tried to get GNOME and xfce setup to look and work the way I want, and it just doesn't work for me. Neither at home, nor at work.

But, the beauty of Unix-like systems, is that everyone can find the environment (or even just WM) that works for them, that suits the way they work, and can use it. Love live choice!

Oh, and I have KDE 4.1.0 compiling on my home workstation as I type.
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